Because their oppressors are in opposition to the United States, alot of so called revolutionaries on Lemmy have sided with the oppressors. Many Leftist on this site express more solidarity with “the enemy of my enemy” than they do with workers internationally and they’ll happily abandon the Iranian people rather then risk a new Iranian government that’s less hostile to the West.
Remember folks, even the unproven allegation that Mossad paid off someone in those protests means that you have ideological cover to oppose the whole thing. Peak tankie logic .
What are you looking for, here? Posts of solidarity with the Iranian protests? Seems like you could have just made one. Be the change.
Simply pointing out how there’s (rightfully!) all the righteous anger in the world when certain countries do evil, but a blatant massacre is going unremarked upon or excused because Iran is “anti-west”. I was expecting more than apathetic shrugs here.
You may be unaware of the americans dying in the streets. Ice murdered a baby yesterday. Americans are occupied, mentally and otherwise
You’ll also notice that palestine is still being genocided. It’s the news cycle. It happens.
I’m seeing posts. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have little respect for “where are all the posts?” posts. It’s complaining that everyone else isn’t doing it for you. Someone has to sit down and post those posts. Maybe for this, since you obviously care, it’s you. Instead you’re shitting on everyone else for not already having done it.
Well, I ain’t, hence this post. Fun fact: I did actually sit down and post this post, as evidenced by us posting within this post. Sorry to drive you up the post by my posting, I shall send by post a post-it note reminding me to post more post-haste.
The slaughter happens and you post about the inabundance of posts and therefore contribute to…what, exactly? Curious.
If I posted a post about not posting enough posts, does this post not add to the posted total of posts? Call or post your representatives, no need to shove me against the post for posting a post about the lack of posts!
Touché, but remember your post only contributes to the not posted enough total of posts and not to the posts that the post posts about so the total posts that the post posts about remains posted at the same total, while the posts about the lack of total posts about what the post posts about only posts about something that seems to post about lack of posts but for what reason?
Sorry. What am I supposed to be doing?
Fly to Iran? Get killed or arrested?
Mentioning it? This site is surprisingly a ghost town when it comes to an actual revolution being repressed. Going to a protest near your politicians or calling/writing them.
Be the change you want to see in the world. Post news articles, make comments, make memes about the event itself, not making lemmy users the subject of your ire, the same people you wish to convince? Not the most efficient way to start the convo
Its because you cant see hexbear. Definitely not silent at all.
Yeah but one right doesn’t make hexbear any less of a shithole that deserves to be removed
Hexbear deserved to be defederated. No regrets
They’re not revolutionizing in the correct revolutionary way, which makes them bourgeoise agents of Western Imperialism.
By all means, inform us of all you are doing to help so we can also support things.
Otherwise you’re just trying to feel morally superior
Speaking up is a good start. Having infinite energy for condemnation of every misstep of a bourgeois liberal regime but not a single moment for the condemnation of repression in an authoritarian theocratic regime because it’s “Anti-West” is suspect.
Luckily(/s) many of the usual suspects on here have shown that they have plenty of energy… for condemning the Iranian protests.
Thank you, well said!
I like how you conflate three very different groups of users together and smear half of them as something they’re not.
“ICE officers roam the streets and kill innocent civilians but 3%er, patriot front, nra and proud boys are silent”
Yes, but you see, the US is on their side, which means they’re the bad guys.
On the one hand, sure, the people there should watch out for the possibility that the US or similar tries to get a government satisfactory to them installed if the current one falls.
But on the other hand, it’s not like there’s any mechanism, in a revolution, to collectively declare “you’re not allowed to support us” and have it stick. So if all it takes for a revolution to be illegitimate is the US to declare itself in favor, then the US has the power to delegitimize any revolution it wishes without recourse, which doesn’t make much sense.
My personal problem with this is that we’re not talking about ANY country but specifically about the current US admin which has recently, shitting on all international rules, declared itself to be above international law and kidnapped an foreign leader (yes, he was dictator, but for international laws to be valuable they must treat EVERYONE equal… not only the ones deemed worthy by the biggest bully in the yard). Since this isn’t the first wave of protests but the first one to, apparently, get inhumanely bloody in this magnitude one obvious key factor differing this one from the previous ones is the openly hostile and antidemocratic US admin taking power one year ago.
Taking this factors into consideration it seems highly questionable weather these protests will lead to an overall better situation for the Iranian people… and this outcome would be the only one justifying the blood shed.
People don’t want to repeat their mistake of blindly cheering revolutions just for them to turn into even worse dictatorships afterwards… like it happened in many countries after Arabian spring. Hence the skepticism and caution in my eyes is more a sign of an ability to learn from past mistakes… especially since this time a foreign nation isn’t ,secondarily involved" but repeatedly made actual threats to destabilize the nation in question and is actively threatening with war, not for the people but to fill its own pockets and demonstrate its power.
“Opposing a dictatorship is bad if the connotations are problematic”
Go outside
,Opposing a dictatorship is always good… even if the majority of the people there are worse off afterwards. The main thing is that I feel morally superior while risking nothing myself. "
Read a book.
I did, they were dreck. There’s no cure for tankism like reading theory written by their little tin gods.
Its funny since lots of revolutions only really succeeded due to another state actor involved. Imagine being against the Haitian revolution because you think its just some psyop by the Americans to harm the French
edit: To clarify I don’t know if the Haitians NEEDED the US, but the US did help
The Hatian revolution didn’t really succeed either. Dessalines basically just re-enslaved everyone but they all started to slowly starve because nobody would trade with them after the rampage.
Its funny since lots of revolutions only really succeeded due to another state actor involved.
Everyone give it for America’s favorite fighting Frenchman!
Immigrants get the job done. As an aside though Lafayette was kind of badass.
Honestly, I think that’s true for most of them.
Hey man, a broken clock is right twice a day.
More like once a week, but yes.
Precisely!
2500 dead, 10 000 arrested.
4000 dead now
Because its a Mossad/CIA operation and part of a campaign of a several decade long regime change attempt by israel.
PS: trump is Netanyahu’s bitch
No shit Sherlock, every revolution in history has been supported by a regime’s enemies. The French supported the Americans, the Germans smuggled Lenin into Russia, Soviets supported Mao, etc etc.
Braindead way to handwave away rape, murder, and maiming as state policy to terrorize and suppress their population.
I guess we can’t all be as smart as you.
Yeah man, it’s all the Mossad, actual Iranians are totally happy and totally support their very friendly government. They are totally not writing songs about how they are going to tear government officials limb from limb.
Not saying they are totally happy. But this is because of 20+ years of economic and financial sanctions by Europe and the USA for the crime of supporting Palestine.
Sanctions have become even more extreme after Trump pulled out of JCPOA in 2018 and applied 'maximum pressure" sanctions package.
I am impressed with how Iranians have protested en mass. It puts western so called democracies to Shame. But you have to be real that Israel doesn’t care about democracy. It wants.Iran to be broken up unto a dozen statelets that it can bomb at will like Syria.
This is scheming by the US Empire.
Oh Israel does not want a free Iran. We’re on the same page here. But Iranians do. And just going “tHeY’rE aLl MoSsAd AgEnTs” is fucking hilarious when you see how many of them are willing to get shot for their freedom. Surely it must all be done by Mossad agitators.
If the US dropped sanctions then the economic situation would improve. The problem is the US is owned by Zionists and they want to destroy Iran. They’re using protestors to achieve that.
I’m not sure what youre looking for here, validation? Fanfare? Anger?
Good for them. They died fighting for what they believed in and history will remember them kindly. Should we all be so lucky.
Yeah it’s hard for me to do anything from my couch in Nova Scotia.
Good for them to be murdered by their government for protesting against it? “Lucky”???
Good for them for fighting, you wet towel.
The “Everything America supports” is bad virus, many such cases. I think Foucoult wrote a bunch of papers in support of the Iran regime when they got rid of the Western backed government (Not to say I support that government). Did not age well…
Leftists all arounds the world are known to be radical Islam sympathisers just because they are anti-west. It’s the hard truth and I am going to get downvoted to hell for saying this.
I hear you. I agree with you very much. Not entirely. It’s just so complex. Not looking to debate or make a strong point. Push come to shove, I’m in your camp. Hesitant to be 100% on this. Reality per my view about 75% agreed.
here. Just take it
I’ll take things that never happened for 10 bucks.
In this very fucking thread.
Tankies are gonna tankie, that’s nothing new. There are plenty of leftists siding with the Iranian revolutionaries on Lemmy, so what the OP says (that leftists in general are silent on Iran) is false. Unless they’re specifically talking about tankies, but nowhere do I see them making that distinction.
Tankies give us leftists a bad name sadly.
I’m not denying anything, except the neutrality of HRAI. It looks, in my view, as a CIA front. Also, they report 10000 detained people, but it’s not like you would care about it.
If you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you’re an ML, everything looks like the CIA
Yeah, I’ve been there before. But if it looks like the same it’s because the USA government’s rancid recipes. They do the same everywhere, and everybody knows.
Ah, it’s “just” 2,600 human lives cut short for protesting against authoritarianism and we’ll over 10,000 more imprisoned with the regime pledging to execute them. Not that you care about it as those three magic letters clearly justify anything to you.
I don’t take those numbers as facts, that’s all. Don’t presume you know me. The 10000 figure of dead people was plain misinformation, even taking the source as true.
