The rifle as a tool is just as safe as a log splitter, wood chipper, machete, drone, or the 3000lbs car you hurdle down the highway at 80mph. It’s the operator of those things that can be dangerous.
Bumpstocks, however, make the weapon discharge unexpectedly and is stupid to own or operate.
Show me a log splitter or wood chipper that can be used to kill dozens of people in five ten minutes.
Machete you’re still probably only get a few.
Drone? Not unless you strap an explosive to it.
A car is the only one that can even remotely cause mass casualties.
“Just as safe” is an extremely bad faith argument if you even have a basic understanding of guns. Even accidentally, when is the last news story where a five year old Suzy accidentally threw her brother Tommy in a chipper.
I hate that argument. I think we can all agree that while all items you listed can be dangerous… Only one is manufactured to intentionally be a weapon. I haven’t seen very many wood chipper attacks on schools lately.
…but you’ve seen a rifle take itself to school and start blasting? Recently I’ve seen a guy plow a car into a group of peaceful protesters and I’ve seen a pack of drones fly themselves into Russian bombers.
Even countries that don’t allow citizen weapons are armed to the teeth because their neighbors are as well. The first time I saw an assault rifle in real life was on some sort of police at a TGV station in France… and if your argument is “yeah but they’re trained police and militaries”, those are some of the most unhinged and unstable people I’ve ever met.
I know we need stricter gun control laws, and I know that societies without citizen weapons have lower to no mass shootings. I know we need free/low cost healthcare. I’m arguing that there’s nothing more dangerous about a rifle over other things in your garage but bump stocks make a rifle dangerous and unpredictable.
I’m not going to argue about who should or shouldn’t be permitted to own firearms. I grew up around them and in general don’t have issue with them. (On a side note: I do have a problem with firearm tough guy culture) I do however think it’s silly to pretend they aren’t manufactured as weapons and pretend that normal tools and objects are on the same level as them. They are designed to kill.
Funny you compare fire arms to cars, because I believe that both fit in the category of “things your average person should not have in public”. I want more regulation on guns AND cars.
And just because nitrous mods are illegal, doesn’t make your average car any safer.
Agreed. Fuck cars. Going from LA to SD on the train is so much more peaceful, has WiFi, 120v, the right of way, and beautiful views.
About nitrous, I knew an Impala guy that pulled us out of the office one day and opened his trunk and points to a spare tire on top of a perfectly carpeted and mounted box. Says “do you know what that is?” Ummm, you’re hiding your no2 from the cops? “How did you know!?” Idiot.
Counterpoint… Hunting and gathering. That animal you’re eating didn’t kill itself. My trowel kills some of the plants I’m harvesting, and a fruit starts to die once it’s cut from the vine. Destruction is necessary in life. It isn’t automatically an “evil” word. We as a species wouldn’t exist without destruction, death, and decomposition.
Now, whether the existence of humans at all is a good thing, is a question for Nietzsche and Douglas Adams. We aren’t the greatest.
I will never drink civet coffee. I don’t care if my 110 year old Asian auntie demands it, I’d rather take a house slipper to the ear than drink a cup of shitty coffee.
I… mean, that’s cool and all, but I just meant that the destruction of nature involved in eating (wild) fruit is limited to something benefitting the creator of that food, rather than killing it.
unsafe and stupid, like crank triggers and cmags and all sorts of silly rambo shit 2a idiots like to fetishize.
fuck I think anyone trying to call a 5.56 rifle cut down into ‘pistol’ form should have their fucking heads examined, that is by far the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. “oh it’s the atf’s fault for having loopholes in their rules” yeah, because no one in their right minds would call a rifle w/o the buffer tube a fucking pistol.
basically the entire gun fetish is dumb. you want to fuck with guns, explosives and hurt people? get fucking paid for the experience mate, the military is happy to train. but no, the ice lardasses can’t even do 15 pushups or run 1.5 miles in 16 minutes lol. but they want their guns un huhhhnn
awww the rifle pistol crowd is cranky with their fetish being called out. boo fuckin hooo
They have a buffer tube, otherwise they wouldn’t cycle, unless we are talking about something like the SIG MCX then the buffer system isn’t in the tube.
They just don’t have the stock making it not intended to shoulder, the stock, not the buffer tube is what makes an SBR.
yeah this isn’t universal. I’ve seen one setup that had no tube, assumed that was the silly ass attraction to the whole stupid fucking thing. had some kind of warty plug bit that was maybe 2" long where the buffer tube assembly would be, assumed it was a something along these lines:
It’s to make the gun not a rifle. Rifles have to have stocks, that’s it, that’s the point. If you want a short gun that shoots an intermediate cartridge it’s an AR which is really common and the ammo is cheap, or an AK which skips the buffer tube but ammo is more expensive. Or something like a cut down mosin nagant since they used to be really cheap so why not.
ok buddy. look, you can’t just make shit up for whatever you want either.
the defining characteristic of a rifle is not a stock, it’s the rifled fucking barrel. a musket had a stock, it doesn’t make it a fucking rifle.
so fucking sick of the 2a dictionary squad having to sound off at every single fucking thing they perceive as inaccurate from their years of deep training with the gravy seals meal team six.
Bump stocks are just unsafe though.
Unlike the rest of the rifle. Which is perfectly safe.
The rifle as a tool is just as safe as a log splitter, wood chipper, machete, drone, or the 3000lbs car you hurdle down the highway at 80mph. It’s the operator of those things that can be dangerous.
Bumpstocks, however, make the weapon discharge unexpectedly and is stupid to own or operate.
Show me a log splitter or wood chipper that can be used to kill dozens of people in five ten minutes.
Machete you’re still probably only get a few.
Drone? Not unless you strap an explosive to it.
A car is the only one that can even remotely cause mass casualties.
“Just as safe” is an extremely bad faith argument if you even have a basic understanding of guns. Even accidentally, when is the last news story where a five year old Suzy accidentally threw her brother Tommy in a chipper.
I hate that argument. I think we can all agree that while all items you listed can be dangerous… Only one is manufactured to intentionally be a weapon. I haven’t seen very many wood chipper attacks on schools lately.
Thanks for the laugh, friend. What a great movie.
Tucker & Dale vs. Evil (2010)
…but you’ve seen a rifle take itself to school and start blasting? Recently I’ve seen a guy plow a car into a group of peaceful protesters and I’ve seen a pack of drones fly themselves into Russian bombers.
Even countries that don’t allow citizen weapons are armed to the teeth because their neighbors are as well. The first time I saw an assault rifle in real life was on some sort of police at a TGV station in France… and if your argument is “yeah but they’re trained police and militaries”, those are some of the most unhinged and unstable people I’ve ever met.
I know we need stricter gun control laws, and I know that societies without citizen weapons have lower to no mass shootings. I know we need free/low cost healthcare. I’m arguing that there’s nothing more dangerous about a rifle over other things in your garage but bump stocks make a rifle dangerous and unpredictable.
I’m not going to argue about who should or shouldn’t be permitted to own firearms. I grew up around them and in general don’t have issue with them. (On a side note: I do have a problem with firearm tough guy culture) I do however think it’s silly to pretend they aren’t manufactured as weapons and pretend that normal tools and objects are on the same level as them. They are designed to kill.
Funny you compare fire arms to cars, because I believe that both fit in the category of “things your average person should not have in public”. I want more regulation on guns AND cars.
And just because nitrous mods are illegal, doesn’t make your average car any safer.
Agreed. Fuck cars. Going from LA to SD on the train is so much more peaceful, has WiFi, 120v, the right of way, and beautiful views.
About nitrous, I knew an Impala guy that pulled us out of the office one day and opened his trunk and points to a spare tire on top of a perfectly carpeted and mounted box. Says “do you know what that is?” Ummm, you’re hiding your no2 from the cops? “How did you know!?” Idiot.
A machine specifically designed to kill is not a “tool”, unless you count it as a tool of destruction.
Counterpoint… Hunting and gathering. That animal you’re eating didn’t kill itself. My trowel kills some of the plants I’m harvesting, and a fruit starts to die once it’s cut from the vine. Destruction is necessary in life. It isn’t automatically an “evil” word. We as a species wouldn’t exist without destruction, death, and decomposition.
Now, whether the existence of humans at all is a good thing, is a question for Nietzsche and Douglas Adams. We aren’t the greatest.
The cool part about fruit as a food source is that the plant literally makes that part to be eaten, for seed dispersal.
I will never drink civet coffee. I don’t care if my 110 year old Asian auntie demands it, I’d rather take a house slipper to the ear than drink a cup of shitty coffee.
I… mean, that’s cool and all, but I just meant that the destruction of nature involved in eating (wild) fruit is limited to something benefitting the creator of that food, rather than killing it.
Wait until you learn about automatic trigger resets.
unsafe and stupid, like crank triggers and cmags and all sorts of silly rambo shit 2a idiots like to fetishize.
fuck I think anyone trying to call a 5.56 rifle cut down into ‘pistol’ form should have their fucking heads examined, that is by far the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. “oh it’s the atf’s fault for having loopholes in their rules” yeah, because no one in their right minds would call a rifle w/o the buffer tube a fucking pistol.
basically the entire gun fetish is dumb. you want to fuck with guns, explosives and hurt people? get fucking paid for the experience mate, the military is happy to train. but no, the ice lardasses can’t even do 15 pushups or run 1.5 miles in 16 minutes lol. but they want their guns un huhhhnn
awww the rifle pistol crowd is cranky with their fetish being called out. boo fuckin hooo
They have a buffer tube, otherwise they wouldn’t cycle, unless we are talking about something like the SIG MCX then the buffer system isn’t in the tube.
They just don’t have the stock making it not intended to shoulder, the stock, not the buffer tube is what makes an SBR.
yeah this isn’t universal. I’ve seen one setup that had no tube, assumed that was the silly ass attraction to the whole stupid fucking thing. had some kind of warty plug bit that was maybe 2" long where the buffer tube assembly would be, assumed it was a something along these lines:
https://www.80-lower.com/80-lower-blog/how-to-build-a-bufferless-ar-instructions/
If the bulk of them have tubes what’s the fucking point then? so you can have your ‘arm brace’ mounted to something?
it’s all so fucking stupid
It’s to make the gun not a rifle. Rifles have to have stocks, that’s it, that’s the point. If you want a short gun that shoots an intermediate cartridge it’s an AR which is really common and the ammo is cheap, or an AK which skips the buffer tube but ammo is more expensive. Or something like a cut down mosin nagant since they used to be really cheap so why not.
ok buddy. look, you can’t just make shit up for whatever you want either.
the defining characteristic of a rifle is not a stock, it’s the rifled fucking barrel. a musket had a stock, it doesn’t make it a fucking rifle.
so fucking sick of the 2a dictionary squad having to sound off at every single fucking thing they perceive as inaccurate from their years of deep training with the gravy seals meal team six.
It’s actually the law, more specifically the ATF said so. With one exception I’m aware of https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/nfa-sbr-exceptions-for-weapons-of-historical-significance.148749/
ah ok will mount up my smoothbore SBR and start yeeting .50 meinie balls at the enemy, lol why the fuck not oh yeah because it’s a fucking musket
go for it man, you show them how stupid their laws are. mmmHMMM
Actually that’s a thing: https://franklinarmory.com/shop/firearms/reformation-rs7-5-56-nato/
Not quite smoothbore but not exactly rifles either that’s the point.