This is where I think you’re wrong. Republicans already don’t like Trump, which is why Texas turned blue. In 2028, this won’t matter anymore. If Trump is doing the veto, and that is the reason the bill gets blocked, it will be ONLY Trump being blamed. The rest of the republicans won’t be to blame.
You need senators from states up for reelection in 2028 blocking bills so you can point the finger at them. A veto is meaningless for 2028.
If it gets vetoed they can still attempt to overturn the veto and show a count of how many Republicans did not try to overturn the veto.
Trump still has a hold on some of his base, but that base has shrunk significantly.
Even if everything gets vetoed and we fail to overturn the vetoes, it still matters because say Trump/Vance get impeached pre-2028, then the House Majority leader becomes President and the Senate Majority leader becomes VP. With the filibuster gone, they can start signing legislation into law at a quick speed with no filibuster holdups.
There’s also a chance that getting rid of filibuster motivates Republicans in 2028. Ending the filibuster now is just showing your hand with very very little possibility for benefit. Let republicans dig themselves into a deeper hole for 2 years. Then if you don’t have 60 in 2028, that’s the time to talk about ending the filibuster.
The Republican politicians are already motivated as are their donors. The American people currently, at large, are much more motivated for the Democrats because they’re trusting we will try to implement changes. If we fail to deliver then that’s where Republicans will be motivated to turn up to vote for Republicans and Democrats could be frustrated and not turn up.
The benefit now is the headlines of “X bill passes House and Senate by Democrats in record time and number” for the next two years. Let them have to veto the bills, but passing them does matter to show Democrats are showing up to work everyday for these next two years. If we get even something helpful passed because we got rid of the filibuster it’ll help motivate Democrats to turn out again in record numbers.
We can easily pick up another handful of Senate seats if we’re passing helpful legislation these next two years.
Well, we can agree to disagree. I think “X bill failed because these specific senators voted against it” will be much more effective for getting an even larger majority in 2028 than “X bill failed because Trump vetoed”.
Their ‘No’ votes in the House and Senate will still be on record in either case so we can still bring that up come 2028.
So Trump, the figurehead of the Republicans whether in office or out, can try to field the blame but the rest of the party still looks bad since the ‘No’ votes go on record as well. Especially so if Democrats attempt to overturn any of the vetoes directly as they can point to both Trump and the Republicans in Congress as the hold-up.
Sounds like a whole if wishful thinking and all downside. Ending the filibuster now is madness. We can talk in 2029. But now is just dulling your blade before you have the opportunity to use it.
I disagree that it would be madness especially given Democrats are coming in with such a sizable lead where it could be used. Imo they can use it in 2027 and in 2029.
Playing it too safe and visibly accomplishing nothing for two years has a real chance of stopping the wave which I think is a valid concern given how 2024 went.
Well, I think it is 100% certain the democrats will not get rid of the filibuster before 2029. So we will see if that works out for them!
Honestly, I’d be shocked if they did it in 2029 as well. Just because of the massive backfire risk. But I am also hopeful they will have 60 senators and can actually pass things without needing to do that.
This is where I think you’re wrong. Republicans already don’t like Trump, which is why Texas turned blue. In 2028, this won’t matter anymore. If Trump is doing the veto, and that is the reason the bill gets blocked, it will be ONLY Trump being blamed. The rest of the republicans won’t be to blame.
You need senators from states up for reelection in 2028 blocking bills so you can point the finger at them. A veto is meaningless for 2028.
If it gets vetoed they can still attempt to overturn the veto and show a count of how many Republicans did not try to overturn the veto.
Trump still has a hold on some of his base, but that base has shrunk significantly.
Even if everything gets vetoed and we fail to overturn the vetoes, it still matters because say Trump/Vance get impeached pre-2028, then the House Majority leader becomes President and the Senate Majority leader becomes VP. With the filibuster gone, they can start signing legislation into law at a quick speed with no filibuster holdups.
There’s also a chance that getting rid of filibuster motivates Republicans in 2028. Ending the filibuster now is just showing your hand with very very little possibility for benefit. Let republicans dig themselves into a deeper hole for 2 years. Then if you don’t have 60 in 2028, that’s the time to talk about ending the filibuster.
The Republican politicians are already motivated as are their donors. The American people currently, at large, are much more motivated for the Democrats because they’re trusting we will try to implement changes. If we fail to deliver then that’s where Republicans will be motivated to turn up to vote for Republicans and Democrats could be frustrated and not turn up.
The benefit now is the headlines of “X bill passes House and Senate by Democrats in record time and number” for the next two years. Let them have to veto the bills, but passing them does matter to show Democrats are showing up to work everyday for these next two years. If we get even something helpful passed because we got rid of the filibuster it’ll help motivate Democrats to turn out again in record numbers.
We can easily pick up another handful of Senate seats if we’re passing helpful legislation these next two years.
Well, we can agree to disagree. I think “X bill failed because these specific senators voted against it” will be much more effective for getting an even larger majority in 2028 than “X bill failed because Trump vetoed”.
Their ‘No’ votes in the House and Senate will still be on record in either case so we can still bring that up come 2028.
So Trump, the figurehead of the Republicans whether in office or out, can try to field the blame but the rest of the party still looks bad since the ‘No’ votes go on record as well. Especially so if Democrats attempt to overturn any of the vetoes directly as they can point to both Trump and the Republicans in Congress as the hold-up.
Sounds like a whole if wishful thinking and all downside. Ending the filibuster now is madness. We can talk in 2029. But now is just dulling your blade before you have the opportunity to use it.
I disagree that it would be madness especially given Democrats are coming in with such a sizable lead where it could be used. Imo they can use it in 2027 and in 2029.
Playing it too safe and visibly accomplishing nothing for two years has a real chance of stopping the wave which I think is a valid concern given how 2024 went.
Well, I think it is 100% certain the democrats will not get rid of the filibuster before 2029. So we will see if that works out for them!
Honestly, I’d be shocked if they did it in 2029 as well. Just because of the massive backfire risk. But I am also hopeful they will have 60 senators and can actually pass things without needing to do that.