Another solution is to place tolerance in the context of social contract theory: to wit, tolerance should not be considered a virtue or moral principle, but rather an unspoken agreement within society to tolerate one another’s differences as long as no harm to others arises from same. In this formulation, one being intolerant is violating the contract, and therefore is no longer protected by it against the rest of society.
So Tankies, Republicans, Russians, Independents and Greens (which are secret Rs), and Nazis are all Nazis, as is everyone who sits at the table with any of these Nazi flavors, exceptions to this rule including but not limited to Ukrainians, Chinese, Indians, North Koreans, Iran, and Democrats.
Nazis are nazis. None of the other things you listed are nazis. Even the comment you are replying to did not say they are nazis, they said they hold similar views to nazis. There are people in the US right now who say “I am a nazi.” Those people are nazis. This is probably the worst comment to reply to for that gotcha.
No one in this whole reply chain said that. Even if they did, I usually interpret people’s words, so when someone says “sitting at the table with a nazi makes you a nazi” it means to me “not fighting evil makes you complicit in that evil.” If they mean it literally makes you a nazi, then they are wrong, but I usually assume people aren’t saying things that are insane since everyone I have talked to when asked has said the 1st one.
I didn’t claim anyone here did at any time, it is a well-known talking point for some people at some times that is frequently used in Nazi discussions on the television and internet and in person.
I thought you knew that?!?
We agree, it is insane and it’s defended as literal all. the. time. I’ve ignored this for years, now I just go with it to an absurd degree. I am not being literal, just like the phrase shouldn’t be literal. I think this is funny, I apologize if it’s boring to you.
No, all authoritarians are basically the same kind of asshole, and Tankies are pure authoritarians.
And since the very first use of the terms left vs right, was a question of Authoritarianism vs Democracy, a question of unelected monarchy vs the power of the people.
Only later were economic terms added, because Marx envisioned a truly democratic economy.
And then Lenin betrayed the revolution, and then wrote about how betrayal of the revolution and establishment of a dictatorship was what Marx wanted.
Lenin had the actual communists who won the November 1917 election arrested as traitors.
If you are authoritarian, you are not of the left. Full stop.
There used to be an entire instance of them called Exploding Heads. Pretty much every instance has defederated on them, so I don’t know if that server is still alive. There’s always more nazi servers being made to get around defederation, but they usually end up re-quarantined eventually
This solution always made sense to me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance?wprov=sfla1
Spot on.
I said this before and a bunch of Nazis down voted it because they didn’t like me opening them up to getting thier shit kicked in
“a bunch of Nazis” on Lemmy?
They exist here. Not to be confused with the Tankies, who hold almost identical views but with a coat of red paint.
So Tankies, Republicans, Russians, Independents and Greens (which are secret Rs), and Nazis are all Nazis, as is everyone who sits at the table with any of these Nazi flavors, exceptions to this rule including but not limited to Ukrainians, Chinese, Indians, North Koreans, Iran, and Democrats.
Nazis are nazis. None of the other things you listed are nazis. Even the comment you are replying to did not say they are nazis, they said they hold similar views to nazis. There are people in the US right now who say “I am a nazi.” Those people are nazis. This is probably the worst comment to reply to for that gotcha.
So you CAN sit at a table with Nazis and not be a Nazi!? This is really going to shake things up!
Your comment is not the worst, hold your chin up
No one in this whole reply chain said that. Even if they did, I usually interpret people’s words, so when someone says “sitting at the table with a nazi makes you a nazi” it means to me “not fighting evil makes you complicit in that evil.” If they mean it literally makes you a nazi, then they are wrong, but I usually assume people aren’t saying things that are insane since everyone I have talked to when asked has said the 1st one.
I didn’t claim anyone here did at any time, it is a well-known talking point for some people at some times that is frequently used in Nazi discussions on the television and internet and in person.
I thought you knew that?!?
We agree, it is insane and it’s defended as literal all. the. time. I’ve ignored this for years, now I just go with it to an absurd degree. I am not being literal, just like the phrase shouldn’t be literal. I think this is funny, I apologize if it’s boring to you.
No, all authoritarians are basically the same kind of asshole, and Tankies are pure authoritarians.
And since the very first use of the terms left vs right, was a question of Authoritarianism vs Democracy, a question of unelected monarchy vs the power of the people.
Only later were economic terms added, because Marx envisioned a truly democratic economy.
And then Lenin betrayed the revolution, and then wrote about how betrayal of the revolution and establishment of a dictatorship was what Marx wanted.
Lenin had the actual communists who won the November 1917 election arrested as traitors.
If you are authoritarian, you are not of the left. Full stop.
I’ve been here a couple years and haven’t seen any notable indication that Nazis are on this platform
There was a whole instance, explodingheads, check your instance blocklist to make sure
Maybe the nazi instances are defederated
There used to be an entire instance of them called Exploding Heads. Pretty much every instance has defederated on them, so I don’t know if that server is still alive. There’s always more nazi servers being made to get around defederation, but they usually end up re-quarantined eventually
Exactly. Don’t tolerate the intolerant.
I thought that was the only solution. Tolerance ends with the intolerant.
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