I think your math is wrong. You know why America loses wars? It’s a massive machine that requires constant tuning and billions to actually do anything. You put out up against a non traditional military like guerilla fighters and they can grind that fucker down with smaller strategic attacks. This is the battle we’re up against.

And you know how I know this? Look at how much effort was put into moving people on the left off these platforms. They know the math is against them. They are limited by the same algorithms we are. Except they do not have the same man power since they’re using bots and vote rigging. But at the same time, posts can only display so many comments. Just having votes isn’t enough. It’s the network and discovery and engagement and most of all is the content. With a more active presence, especially with lemmy which is supposed to be ideally set up to prevent hostile take overs, we could make it increasingly difficult for their efforts. They’re already laying ground work for the next election cycles. Go look at how many of your favorite shows have a Facebook group that has anti lgqtb, anti Trans anti left dominate groups. And you know what. The other groups fight back but they can only do so much. Lemmy should be a place to build communities focused on sharing information, spreading awareness and documentation of how they are trying to seize and manipulate things.

In my mind it is so bad to have lemmy, a tool clearly built to do something with and then just use it to post a daily news article and memes about AI

It’s more about the panic then the market crash. They want irrational actors. Remember in die hard the shitty one about the fire sale. It’s basically that. Aside from the terribly movie, they’re kicking the legs from the pillars of a democracy and in the chaos and vacuum that’s created they can usurp power and authority. Western countries need to identify these efforts better and guard against it.

Yea exactly and this brings up another issue. Lemmy is built to get around that. This should be the place we can build communities to counter this. Identify mods and posts that are clearly playing games. Document and spread this information. People are smart. They’ll find ways.

If all we’re using lemmy for is sharing shit bean posts then we’re useless people

I think you under estimate it greatly. It’s not about saying you go out and give me ten comments stat.

But it is about moving away from the cultural of “don’t engage” and promoting the culture of we’ll fucking met they bullshit and return fire when we can. It’s about moving behavior from defensive posture to offensive to get us off our back foot

I’ve been saying for years that the next big thing will be a bank run.

Hasn’t been one in a while. Under utilized panic option. They’ll make it happen soon enough.

Did you guys not realize this is happening with the right wing think tanks as well?

Lots of groups are flooding every social media platform with their views. Comments and posts. They take over all kinds of groups. Like bobs lgqtb hate groups. They even convinced leftist to avoid confronting them. Remember all the people a few years ago telling each other to not “roll with pigs” and maybe we should all just leave the major platforms for a much smaller place. Now when AI ingests data it’s all right leaning. So if you ask Claude what’s going on with climate change, it’ll aggregate everything and give answers saying how global warming is a controversial topic and so on.

This is the consequence of not playing the game. Temporary gain for long term pain.

The answer to all of this has always been awareness. Identify the astroturf and go in the opposite direction. The Chicago way, like in the untouchables. If they put one of ours in the hospital, we put two of theirs in the morgue. There are more of us then them. The solution is for every shit post or comment we need to make 10. Every advertising you see, you need to create an anti ad. You need to multiple their effort in the reverse. It costs them money. It costs us just time and effort. You fucks spend months posting about beans and moths so you can fuck off trying to say you couldn’t do this.

You know the left can also put up an effort to overwhelm them as well

I feel like these other countries are like labs where groups can test out policy and public opinion campaigns there before bringing it usa

This, exactly this.

The thing the Republicans do that give them a big advantage is take in anyone all flaws included. That’s real life. Ugly lumps and all. The do nothings don’t get the real world experience to know the ideal in their head doesn’t exist. They reject based on each individul grievance and this shrinks power over time.

Tin foil hat, given what we know of heritage foundation and others, I wouldn’t doubt if these were modern bot accounts really driving this holier than thou attitude among the left.

We’re not in a position to be picky without good reason. Fetterman is not enough. The 3 you listed are not it. They’re great. Exciting. But they are one small part of something bigger. Tlaib not really sure what her actions actually are.

I don’t care. We can’t keep relying on people here. The furry internet mods of the internet who hide at the first hint of confrontation. You know at some point we have to be critical of ourselves as a reason Trump won. If i was on a baseball team and half the team doesn’t show up and the other half that does show up decide to not even play the game then at some point we need to admit the reason we lost isn’t just because the other team did something, that partially the reason we’ve lost everything in decades is due to the actions of our own team or lack thereof. But one thing I know for sure, we need more of Graham to inject some fuck you energy back into the left of MAGA side.

This site is also the exact same format with the exact same mods. You’re not fighting the fight you think you are.

So who exactly is the allied vs axis

Almost daily.

Why? Where do you use that anywhere else in your life

You need to spread a message to create action by leftist abandon participating in online digital spaces where messages are spread and then try to create action from nothing. Also when any message begins to propagate there’s usually mods that crush it before it takes off.

After John McCain they vowed to never let it happen again

They just buy the stuff the grocery stores don’t want. That’s been common for a while. That’s why you can buy tons of it cheap but it goes bad fast.

Where do you have that data to show this. I know there’s studies clearly showing wealth and cancer rates but do you have data showing it in relation to weight.

You’d have to participate in the democracy in a meaningful way. It’s not just waiting every 4 years to vote or attending an 8 hr protest/fundraiser