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There, evened it out XD

Mate, religious people didn’t fill the museums with dinosaurs without feathers. Scientists gather evidence… then fill the gaps. Flat earth, earth is the center, quantum theory, quasi-crystals, the list goes on and on, if anything is disingenuous it’s saying that scientists DON’T fill the gaps for the things we don’t know. THAT’S ALL WE’VE EVER DONE. Religious or not, no evidence, some evidence, or “a lot” relative to our tiny corner of space, humanity, historically, fills the gaps so we can pretend to understand things we’ve only just recently become capable of even observing

Except it’s COMPLETELY relevant, because ALL of the evidence you’re talking about is what humanity has gathered throughout our tiny blip of existence. It doesn’t matter what we should have done, if your whole point is “don’t fill the gaps with stuff we don’t know,” using scientists etc. as an example, when, historically, we’ve done nothing BUT “fill the gaps,” and incorrectly at that.

Like yes, there’s evidence to support the theories, but that does not change the HISTORICAL FACT that our theories are CONSTANTLY CHANGING based on new evidence that we now have to “slot in” and make work with the current evidence… Until we find more evidence and start all over. We’re just… way too overconfident with our “facts” when we literally don’t know shit. Trying to pretend we understand, like a monkey thinking a microwave is a flashlight

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I completely agree. Unfortunately, we don’t do that. We fill the gaps. That’s what we did with the dinosaurs, with everything. Where we don’t have proof, we have theories. They are not fact. But presented as such by way too many people. I’m simply comparing the two and saying how ridiculous it is to say ANYTHING is “VERY unlikely” or “very likely” when all we really have is theory. It’s just… Incredibly ignorant with the little amount of info we have. So to go one way and fill the gaps while claiming we don’t, but go the other and guffaw because there isn’t evidence, is hilarious.

Edit: it’s just, that’s literally how we’ve ALWAYS done it, historically. Humanity was taught that earth was center of the solar system and that it was flat. Until we learned better. We thought washing hands between operating on patients was crazy, until it wasn’t. Tryna say scientists don’t fill gaps, where you livin

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For me it’s both

And yet we still have museums filled with dinosaurs without feathers, and there are people that preach the big bang theory as fact. Shit, we still have people thinking the earth is flat. So, some scientists might be OK saying they don’t know, but humanity as a whole will take any idea, theory or not, and run with it. So, sorry, but yeah, some scientists are filling the gaps with evil sky wizards ;)

You’re getting really hung up on this idea of “god” when that’s not what I’m really talking about lol

Maybe some people find the big bang theory far-fetched, maybe in 300 years we’ll have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT origin story for our universe, ALSO free of any god or creation theory, but just different thanks to our understanding of it changing.

“argumentum ad ignorantiam” - I’m not claiming anything, just trying to keep your mind open by playing devil’s advocate. There’s a HUGE difference between saying “this is real because we can’t prove it isn’t,” and “there’s a small possibility this is real, but we can’t prove it.” Like, saying something DOESN’T exist simply because you HAVEN’T seen proof of it is actually, literally argumentum ad ignorantiam, and you’re getting dangerously close to that.

Like yes, the discussion started because you don’t believe in a god because you haven’t seen evidence of it. I’m just trying to point out the argumentum ad ignorantiam in that. Not trying to get you to believe in god, just to see that there’s maybe things we don’t understand, that we aren’t capable of disproving, and possibly will simply never know in our lifetime

No, I just think we’re missing a lot. The evidence we can gather is from a very teeny tiny section of the “universe-spanning crime scene.” It reminds me of The Expanse, they find something they don’t understand and they compare it to monkeys playing with a microwave:

“Push a button, a light comes on inside, so it’s a light. Push a different button and stick your hand inside, it burns you, so it’s a weapon. Learn to open and close the door, it’s a place to hide things. Never grasping what it actually did, and maybe not even having the framework necessary to figure it out. No monkey ever reheated a frozen burrito.”

Like yeah, astronomers/cosmologists/astrophysicists are smart compared to the average human, but the average human is smart compared to a chimp. Are we even capable of putting the pieces together that we’re getting?

Funnily enough I haven’t actually heard of that saying XD I only kept thinking about Xeno Lovegood from Harry Potter and how NOT to sound like him lmao. He thought something existed, Hermione didn’t, so he says “prove that it does not.”

But I see where you’re coming from, I just don’t think the idea is that far-fetched or unlikely. I’m not even talking specifically about being a theist, but also even just the idea that we live in a simulation, like our whole universe was “created” as an experiment, or a zoo for aliens much larger than our universe, or shit like that. But I could see the argument for “life” being a “miracle” the same way I can see it as slightly more advanced than a plant, just buttons being pushed and reactions happening. I just think there’s SO much we haven’t seen and so much we don’t know that it’s hard to discount anything. Like we keep having to rewrite what we think the laws of physics are as our understanding of them changes. I know I’m not gonna change your mind, so agree to disagree, but it is fun to think about

“Highly unlikely to be true” based on our teeny tiny frame of reference is wild. Remember when it was crazy to believe dinosaurs had feathers? There was no evidence of it… Until there was. And that’s just staying local to the planet.

Also, the size of the universe and how much we’re able to observe DOES matter. Using my plate metaphor again, imagine a graphic on the plate. The chip you got is white. There would never be any evidence of other colors, or of the picture as a whole, until you start looking for and seeing other pieces.

I do completely agree that as long as humanity has found no evidence there’s no reason to humor the idea. But millennia of experience in our corner of space is a fart in the wind in the grand scheme of things, and lack of evidence in an isolated system should not be taken as proof to the contrary. That’s all I was saying.

A human saying they haven’t seen something in the universe and using that to say said thing is unlikely is the same thing as a goldfish in a bowl saying an octopus is unlikely

I agree, just like it’d be insane to claim we know anything else about our creation without evidence

Oh no I love a good discussion about this stuff! Also wasn’t trying to sow discourse so hopefully that’s not how it came across. I definitely agree, but the person I was replying too specifically referred to creation as one big crime scene across the universe and how we’ve investigated it, when we most certainly haven’t. But yes, limiting our viewpoint to here on earth, I could definitely see people going either direction with it

Completely agree. We’re so confident sometimes about things we know literally nothing about

Vast? Not disagreeing by any means but you’re kidding yourself if you think humanity has “thoroughly and desperately scanned” even a fraction of a fraction of only THE MILKY WAY. We haven’t even set foot on another planet in OUR OWN SOLAR SYSTEM. Even if we were to assume all the species on earth were looking

We are SO helplessly ignorant when it comes to the rest of the universe. We’re still grasping at straws and don’t know how half the stuff works or even where any of it is really located.

Will we ever find God? I don’t know, but we’re sure as shit nowhere near understanding anything enough to say a god DIDN’T do it.

But it’s like dropping a plate from the top of the empire state building. You’re a block away and a little chip hits you. You don’t know where it came from or why. You don’t know the larger whole it used to make up. You and your family could spend generations examining that one little chip and learn EVERYTHING about it while still knowing nothing about it’s origin or original shape.

Either way, we’ve got a lot to learn, which excites me

Have you seen the Kaufman documentary? IMO Carey is certifiably insane, he spat on someone and refused to apologize because it wasn’t him, it was Andy. He literally thought he was possessed, or at least acted like that’s what he thought

That sounds kinda brain damaged to me

World peace might be achievable once we’ve evolved a bit and have been adopted into a galactic conglomerate or something, definitely not in our lifetimes. But we can help lay the groundwork.

How convenient that windows 10 support is over. They probably had the fix and waited to ensure more people downgrade to 11