Thanks for the explanation of wrecker.

As for the reformist versus revolution question. Your rhetoric indicates that it’s a solved problem. I find that really hard to believe.

How was it solved? How can we be sure there isn’t a set of material conditions that would allow for reformism to work?

What does YDM mean?

Nope, still banned, also I am not a liberal.

Sorry, yes, some Palestinians are Hamas. Not all Palestinians are Hamas.

Edit: But my point still stands. If Israel just killed all of Hamas, the Palestinian death toll wouldn’t be this large.

Israel is claiming all Palestinians are Hamas to justify killing them. Israel is lying and wants to Genocide Palestinians.

I agree, but I am not a liberal.

Also you had better help out your buddy Spongebobsquarejuche. They are spreading pro Genocide propaganda against Palestinians. https://midwest.social/post/36730554/20445379

I don’t think they are doing intentionally, but someone should explain things to them.

If your lemmy instance is supporting and enforcing pro genocidal rhetoric against the Palestinians, then morally, it deserves to be wrecked.

The US Federal government and Israel agrees.

I can only assume you are trolling.

So what your saying is, my position that Hamas isn’t Palestinian, is wrong.

And when I hear of Palestinian babies getting killed or starved by the IDF. I should think those babies were members of Hamas. Hamas which is a militaristic religious organization.

Am I understanding that right?

How?

I said Israel worse than Hamas. Also Palestinians are being Genocided, not Hamas.

I think what I am trying to get at, is that if I was in charge and had to not be in charge soon magically. I would choose a democracy. I would get rid of first past the post, the electoral college, and the two party system. I would try to create a fair and equitable society.

As I understand history the original decision for the electoral college was due to people in charge thinking that not everyone’s vote should be held with the same weight. This is not something that I believe.

Now in my new country, could people vote back in the electoral collage and first past the post, sure, but there isn’t much you can do about that without causing other problems.

Ahh, now we getting to it!

How do you think you get rid of Capitalism?

Well there are 3 ways I can think of.

1. Violent Revolution
2. Peaceful Revolution
3. Vote it out.

If I had a magic wand, I would do 2. Given I don’t have a magic wand. I think given our current, material conditions, I would shoot for 3. Finally, I think, if all else fails, I would join in 1.

Now I am familiar with the problems of 3. You really need to have a voting population who is on it. In it to win it. Understand politics. That is a very big ask, and I am not sure we got it. Also the longer we sit in 3. The more people suffer though this fascist situation we have. So that is pretty horrible. On the plus side, maybe if we sit long enough in 3, 2 will happen, but there is no guarantee.

So I find this a hard question to answer, it requires a crystal ball. I don’t know how many lives would be harmed in either direction. If I knew I would pick the direction with the least amount of violence towards the least amount of people.

Once you get rid of it, how so you defend against its reimplementation?

If you are talking about have some kind of democratic or representative system. You would need to propagandize that this system that no longer exists is bad and we shouldn’t try to re-implement it. Bad actors will be pushing for it.

Otherwise you could go the authoritarian rout and somehow keep that out, but kings fell to Capitalism before.

So it is hard. I don’t really have a good answer here either. My though would be to kick the can down the road. I will try to get rid of Capitalism with my generation, how to keep it dead, that is a future generations problem.

How about this I was talking with someone else from Hexbear.

According to them, the plan is to get rid of Capital. Once that is out of the picture Democracy is good. Do you agree with that position? I have no problems getting rid of capitalism.

I think you have confused my pro Democracy stance for a pro US right now Democracy stance so this doesn’t really address my post.

@RedWizard replied with a similar post to yours at the same time. So I don’t want to create duplications: https://midwest.social/post/36730554/20440762

Ok, fair, so what is the end goal here?

Tear everything down and then build up what? If it isn’t another Democracy (I mean a political system in which voting and representation dictates who has power), then I am not interested. Why have a revolution under a fascist dictator if you are just going to get another fascist dictator or maybe a non-fascist dictator?

Fair, please ignore my DM then. Have a good one!

Great, sorry for wrecking the vibe. The language used against me seemed to indicate there was something more serious going on. Even now I am having several more nuanced discussions with others at Hexbear.

As for calling people fascist I just want to lay this popular reply from the post I got banned from: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20421459

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.

So it kind of seems like Hexbear can give it, but not take it.

Thank you for the reply. I am being rightfully nudged by the mods to not rehash the arguments. I will reply to your DMs.

Thanks for this thoughtful reply. I have some questions, but I have been rightfully nudged by the mods to avoid rehashing arguments, so I will reply to you in DMs.

Just so this gets to you: https://midwest.social/post/36730554/20437344