As a pastor I say: amen!

Sometimes, we need to do something evil to prevent something worse. But that doesn’t make the evil thing good, right or just.

Theologian here, although not Catholic.

We could see this debate as the Catholic church being more progressive than the US and in part it’s true. But it’s a quite conservative view within the Catholic tradition: in the beginning of Christianity, all violence were deemed unjust, and people preferred to die than to be violent. Then Augustine and others theorized the just war, which is the base of the international war law. But in the 20^th century, the Catholic church evolved on the subject, stating again that all war were unjust:

• Any apotheosis of war is to be condemned as an aberration of mind and heart. (Pope Pius 12, 1953)
• It becomes impossible to believe that war is the appropriate means to obtain justice for a violation of rights. (Pope John 23)
• There is no just war (Pope Francis, 2022)

The current version of The Catechism of the Catholic Church never use the expression “just war”, and justifies only violence in case of defense.

So the fact that the pope is arguing about just war is not the church being progressive, but being in fact fusty according to its own tradition. I think the definition the pope has to just war is not the Augustinian one, but one that limit war to defense, so the difference between him and Francis on the ideas is in fact non-existent, but the usage of the expression is by itself a defeat.

Pleasure Steak

Free will is a thing, after all.

Is it though? What makes me who I am? We like to portray ourselves as individuals in control, making choices, but when you study the paths of criminals, for example, you often find commonalities. If I’d had a different childhood, if I’d been born to different parents, who knows if I wouldn’t have become a murderer? Even without going that far, if I’d been born in a small town in Texas, I’d probably be a brainless MAGA. I can’t be proud of something I’m not responsible for.

So things are obviously more complex, and there are plenty of people born in small towns in Texas who aren’t MAGA. But I think no one ever decides to be evil (that’s why fighting against evil people is not enough and will never be; it’s necessary of course but we should at the same time study the causes of evil, and fight it).

is because they’re not dead and so they could still repent and change their ways?

Partly, but not mainly. I do think that anyone can change and repent, but in these cases I don’t think they will change, and I don’t see what someone who did a genocide could do to repent, even if he changed. No, it’s not that.

My position is based on broader principles. Human beings have inalienable rights and dignity. I personally base these rights and this dignity on theological grounds, but even remaining purely secular, it is essential that what is inalienable stay so, because if these things are taken away from some, then they are no longer inalienable to anyone. This is precisely what Trump, Musk, Netanyahu and the others are trying to achieve: a society divided between human beings and dehumanized people, and such a society always leads to the dehumanization of the same people, even if they were not the original targets.

I’ll take the example of the USSR. They dehumanized the bourgeoisie, the royalists, the kulaks. But soon, it was the minorities, the homosexuals, the artists, the “oddballs,” and others who ended up in the Gulag (or in psychiatric asylum), while the new bourgeoisie (the Party cadres) had “reclaimed” their humanity. It’s not to protect Trump and Netanyahu that we must always consider them human beings with dignity and rights. It’s for the sake of society as a whole, and especially its most vulnerable members.

But again, this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight them, and fight them hard. It simply means that not everything is permissible in this fight or, fighting evil persons, we will reinforce the causes of evil.

Again, it’s not an either/or situation. Musk, Trump and Netanyahu should be fought with everything we’ve got, but the second one stops considering them as human beings with inalienable rights and dignity, one becomes a part of the problem. Let’s not let them transform us; in order to fight them we have to refuse to imitate them.

Nobody is definitively lost. But one can fight someone else compassionately, it’s not an either/or.