I replied too fast, got thrown off by you putting the global south into quotation marks. Why did you do that, what did you mean by that? I’m struggling to understand your points.

For what it’s worth, my home country (in the EU) has some 550 000 immigrants living here, about 10% of the population. I suspect those are mostly people doing “shit jobs” (ie. cleaning, thrash management, other manual labor) that the locals refuse to do (because the work is hard and the pay is shit), preferring the status of labor aristocracy (ie. white collar jobs, tech sector etc.) and petit bourgeoisie (ie. small business ownership or other such) over those they see inherently lesser than them (as a consequence of the culture of white supremacy they grew up in). This would be aligned with European post-WWII culture of unequal exchange with the countries of the global south. I understand that these camps wouldn’t be used (at least immediately) against already established labor force, but against “illegal immigration”. My question would be who is responsible for determining which immigration is illegal and what is stopping them from narrowing the scope of legality (say, deporting LGTBQ+ people fleeing repression in Russia to some third country, thereby placing them in even more danger because immigration from Russia can be deemed illegal at will). Even more disturbing is the (imo) very real possibility of the EU sinking ever deeper into the same kind of fascism as contemporary US, and eventually using these same processes of deportation to silence and remove internal dissidence (eg. anti-war, pro-socialism).

Btw, it is not the “bourgeoisie” where anti immigration parties are the strongest but their stronghold is among the working class, interestingly not limited to those without immigration background.

Again with the quotation marks. But indeed, it is thanks again to the white-supremacist culture in which these anti-immigration working class people have grown. There is an important sentence in the communist manifesto: “The ideology of all hitherto existing societies is the ideology of the ruling class”. This ruling class in capitalist societies is the bourgeoisie. This page and that part especially explains the concept of ideologies in Marxism and its contradictions within the working class.

My comment wasn’t based on the current existence of European deportation camps, or even their stated use. But when capital goes into a crisis and the contradictions within capitalist societies heighten, what I wrote could as well eventually come to be. Who do you think were the first ones into Nazi concentration camps, or what kind of a society was the one from which Nazism awoke, or whose colonial practices those camps were based on? History doesn’t always repeat, but it sure does rhyme.

Edit: I see many downvotes, but zero replies or elaborations. Curious. If you have replied, then I have blocked you previously. You can keep eating shit.

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One-way ticket into a concentration camp in an undisclosed third country in the global south. Brought to you by the liberal, rules-based world order of the EU, I remember reading about the legislature surrounding this (possibly earlier this year, but weeks are like decades sometimes). The US is on the back-foot, throwing its various vassals under the proverbial bus to save its own ass, and in the wake the EU is receding to fascism to protect the capital and bourgeois rule. The situation in Europe seems increasingly unstable, as rioting swells in multiple countries with leaders in France at least unwilling to make really any concessions to the people, whose problems are consequences of the bourgeoisie’s actions. The bourgeoisie here has been calling for increased military spending to make the continent ready for war by 2030, though they call it “preparing for invasion” to manufacture consent for increased military spending as a way out. In reality that spending will be used to further surveil and control you to prevent the people from organizing against the state, and to empower and arm the police to be used against the people in future riots. The bourgeoisie will never consider the working class’s well-being over their own class’s well-being.

Old money, new money… the problem is capitalism, the answer is proletariat organizing. It’s true though, many people in Europe see the problems of unfettered capitalism in America, but somehow seem to fail to consider that it could, will and is happening here also.

Yeah it’s absurd. A horribly flawed, inefficient attempt by the politicians to claw back some semblance of relevance on a global stage, while serving their own class interests. Just throw more money at the problem, that should fix it. What do you mean the energy grid collapsed?

Yeah, they’re building one in my home town atm. They talk a big talk how this shit is beneficial for everyone, how our electrical grid is “one of the most stable in Europe”, how this shit will bring more jobs. Lies, lies, more lies. That’s all the bougies know how to do. They just fucking lie.

It is capitalism that got us corporations and data centers. nobody voted to live under capitalism, and the last time people tried to do anything else we had a civil war over it. blaming the actions of a government and the completely undemocratic system it derives its power from on the people it governs is stupid. you should blame those in power, the politicians and their capitalist overlords, instead of the people who mostly have no say in what their government decides to do to them.

No that’s just for the poors and proles. The corporations will never face repercussions because the politicians are in their C-suite

Yup, that’s true. For me it seems that even the nominally leftist and ““socialist”” seem to be of like minds with the corporate stooges.

Knowing Finland’s governments, it won’t be even those. They’ll more likely take Google’s side and tell the population how it’s a price we must pay for being competitive, and how we need these foreign corporations raping Finnish nature to create jobs and shit. No European bougie gives a shit about the countries they lead or the populations they claim to represent.

fucking called it when the first batch of millions started rolling in. not that it was too difficult to see. disappointing to see many open source folks being like “who cares?”, which is just the head-in-sand reaction i’m used to encountering when talking about fascist politics with locals. it seems to me that the users who are ready to welcome large amounts of institutional capital into open source projects don’t understand that it comes with strings attached. maybe they think more money = more eye candy = growing userbase = better video game support on linux? idk, hate to see fascism creep into every aspect of my personal interests

Arch with a makeup in a vibecoded repo posing as a legitimate distro, whose only claim to fame is an injection of fascist money? get that shit out of here