Just for those that are really struggling, many times it’s much much much cheaper to fix the problem immediately rather than wait. And doing it yourself is possible. You can even often borrow tools from your library. My library literally lends out fucking tablesaws!!! (Don’t use that to fix your car) Just something to keep in mind.
Not a single person here is claiming you can live in a completely car free society. If you had the capacity to read what I wrote in my initial comment you wouldn’t be responding right now. Let me quote it for you:
The conversation isn’t about needing cars, it’s about having car lines due to so many cars. If it were actually as small a number as that then no, we wouldn’t have lines like this, because that’s about the rate that developed european countries have for pickup/dropoff car rates. And those people are the ones telling you it’s not a problem in their country.
So yeah, you are making a strawman. You put up an argument stating that people don’t think we need cars (never once mentioned in this thread) and then you attacked that.
Obviously walking, biking, or taking the bus is better. Let’s assume that covers 95% of children 95% of the time.
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Yeah the truth of the matter is, people use cars because they have them. If they didn’t have them things would be a lot different. You can see that by looking at the data on that link as well. 70% of impoverished children ride the school bus. So not only are those kids disadvantaged with money, but they’re disadvantaged with the situations you’re talking about with after school activities as well. Public transit would be better for everyone here. We wouldn’t be funding these school buses that might ride empty, taxpayer dollars would be able to be reallocated to the actual teaching in the school or even better public transit. A small portion of that would go to the impoverished or those that can’t take public transit.
no, I most definitely didn’t. your point was pretty clear.
There is a real requirement for kids to be picked up by cars and removing that option will only hurt the education of the innocent child.
Nobody said otherwise. This thread is about pickup lines for schools full of cars. I guarantee it’s not nearly the same problem you have in the UK. Everyone everywhere understands cars serve a purpose.
Even if they’re within walking range only 25% of kids walk. 50% are driven by private car, and 25% take the bus. So you literally have 50% of kids that are within walking range still getting dropped off/picked up by private vehicle.
For your other use cases, that’s why other countries use public transit rather than publicly funded school buses that only run twice a day. It’s just a massive waste of money.
https://www.bts.gov/topics/passenger-travel/back-school-2019
you’re getting downvoted because your numbers are drastically off. I posted a comment below, but in the US 33% of school kids are dropped off/picked up by car. Not 5%. That number jumps to 39% if you’re including those driving themselves to school. The average number of kids in school is 512 (in the USA) so that’s ~169 kids getting picked up and dropped off each day. Essentially 169 cars, maybe fewer depending on how many ride together. If the number was 5% (it’s not) then that would only be ~26 cars. Which is still a line, but not a long one.
You made up a small number to pretend like the problem isn’t as bad as it is, and now you’re using a strawman to make it seem like we would still need cars for the made up number you gave. The conversation isn’t about needing cars, it’s about having car lines due to so many cars. If it were actually as small a number as that then no, we wouldn’t have lines like this, because that’s about the rate that developed european countries have for pickup/dropoff car rates. And those people are the ones telling you it’s not a problem in their country.
I think the point others are making is that 6% is essentially nothing. In America it’s 39%. That is just percentage using cars to go to school. Not using public funds at all. https://www.bts.gov/browse-statistical-products-and-data/info-gallery/modes-transportation-available-and-used-students
So now imagine 33% (car dropoff from that statistic, vs driving yourself) of your students’ parents sitting in a car line outside the school. In a school with 512 students (USA average) that is 169 cars waiting in line. In Britain, with the same school size, that would be 30 cars in line…if a line existed at all, because it looks like in Britain 9 of 10 children using the HTST program actually share the taxi so it’s only ~12 cars in line.
With these numbers you wouldn’t even notice a line, which is why many people in this thread are talking about it like it’s crazy. It’s not that nobody uses cars in other countries, it’s that it’s so insane the number of cars us Americans use.
Notably, those numbers for America don’t actually describe the full picture. If you dig down into that spreadsheet you actually see that 20% of American schools report that over 50% of students are dropped off by car each day. The survey doesn’t go any higher than that, so the actual percentage of students dropped off by car each day actually might be much much much higher than 33%. So in a full quarter of the US we have more than half the school being dropped off and picked up by car each day, and we don’t even know how high that percentage goes! Finally, 69% of schools reported that their students do not have access to public transit, so it’s not even possible to get to a state like Europe has. We do have school buses, but that’s essentially the same thing as your taxis, except even worse cause we’re paying for them for almost 90% of schools! So not only are at least 33% of students getting dropped off by car at school, but we’re still paying for private school buses for those students, even if they’re not used or needed.
So in summary: 6% is really nothing. American’s pay for 90% for school buses alone. 33% of students are still dropped off by car, even though school buses might be available. Finally, 69% of schools don’t even have access to public transit.
The statistics around walking/biking infrastructure is even more telling. 22% of schools don’t even have sidewalks to walk to the school. 59% don’t have crossing guards. 65% don’t have speed bumps or tables. 80% don’t have bike lanes.
I lost my job a few months ago and so I’ve had an inordinate amount of free time and it made me realize the same thing. Even with essentially infinite time I can’t get everything that needs to be done, done.
And I’m begging people to stop with the fucking “nobody” idiocy. It’s just saying the implicit joke out loud. Only kids that don’t understand humor think that’s funny.
Nah, you’ve refused to elaborate for anyone else in this thread, why would I explain myself for you? You’re literally lying about being a core Bitcoin dev, it’s pointless to even try to have a rational discussion with you. Goodbye!
you’re proving their point there… Gold has use and is rare which is why it is so highly valued. Aluminum has use and isn’t rare thus it’s worth less. You can even look at articles about how platinum is extremely undervalued due to this exact scenario. But lots of times, things are dictated by market conditions other than rarity as well, like tariffs and industry necessity.
seeing as how it’s used in corrosion-resistant connectors in things like planes’ jet engines and transit systems, probably also in many of the electrical systems keeping every city on the planet running, I’d say that gold is quite important to society continuing to function.
Do you understand that Bitcoin has been around for 16 years, has never had an error or security breach (all cases of losing money are due to malicious actors or careless users), can send billions of dollars across the world for literal pennies, has over a TRILLUON dollars of market cap.
and you’re the one saying others don’t understand Bitcoin. smh.
Yeah it was relatively recent. I think earlier this year. Can’t remember exactly, it’s been a longgggg year. I never managed to get it integrated with HA and the creator passed away and nobody knew if it was going to get picked up by anyone else so I just fully stopped trying.
Would love to know what you find. I started to use Willow months before the creator passed away and it seemed like the only option available (not the best option, literally the only option due to all the reasons you listed). If you find something I’d love to know.
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