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Hmm. I understand the logic of ‘doing job for 8 hrs = get income’ but it doesn’t do jack shit for my motivation.
The logic chain is not that simple and stops where you say. Why get income? Why would there be a need for “income”? What is income? Why does it need to be “a job” for 8 hours? And so on.
If you completely illuminate the issue, you’ll likely find that no, you don’t really understand the logic of “doing job for 8 hrs = get income”.
That was me with flossing. My parents and childhood dentist always TOLD me to floss, and you just stick the floss between your teeth and that’s flossing. I thought it was dumb and didn’t do anything to help my teeth so I never really did it. Until as an adult my dental hygienist explained in detail you need to scrape the sides of your teeth with the floss and go up/down the tooth as far as you can without hurting yourself. Then demonstrated on herself, and then asked me to do it in front of her so she could see if I was doing it right. Great lady.
So it was entirely process based and not logic based?
The process didn’t jive with the logic… so…
What logic?
I think the logic that clicked is more like “oh, the sides of my teeth need to be brushed, too, and a tooth brush can’t get there, hence flossing.”
Yes but similarly I can only fix something after I fully understand how it works.
Is this a characteristically autistic trait?
This may come as a shock but quite essentially everyone is winging everything with a subset of never complete information.
Now i find autism makes me see the patterns more easily between usefull or counter-efficient steps and the details of actual performance-quality.
Combined with often being told “my intuitive plan” is not the correct “default intuitive way to do things” it sets you up to hyperfocus on getting all steps right with ptsd anxiety about getting them wrong.
So we try real hard and question every step to navigate towards quality/success but it takes a lot of mental energy to do so.
Things get much easier once you obtain “fuller” understanding off the concepts at play. Then you can intuitively tell what components your plan needs and what things aren’t relevant.
The way I believe most neurotypical have it is that by doing things just like everyone else they obtain the same average performance-quality and they are not criticised for the commonly shared inaccuracies.
Because they demonstrated the ability to do the task within expected norms. they perceive this as them understanding the task. And will now proceed to call you insane if they ever see you skipping step 4 and oh god why did you flip it upside down?
Truth. People who give some justification for doing things don’t understand what I need. I need the actual reason. If that reason doesn’t exist then the point of the action doesn’t exist.
Difficulty: a sizeable proportion of neurotypical people find it condescending and insulting to have the reason for something explained to them, if it seems like something that an adult should be able to figure out for themselves.
As a consequence of this, they’re also not comfortable explaining things that they consider obvious, because they feel like they’re being rude themselves, and may even consider requests for such explanations to be confrontational.
Yeah I know, we suck
I feel like
find it condescending and insulting to have the reason for something explained to them, if [they already understand the reason]
can apply just as well to neuro-atypical people as to neurotypicals.
I don’t think this has to be too complicated though. Don’t explain the reason unless it’s super unobvious, or unless they ask for a reason. If they do ask for the reason, give it in full and without judgment.
