Yeah if we all hate the fascists but then condemn the Democrats, we will have the numbers and the shear power to accomplish nothing….
Seriously, if you don’t like the Democrats then fucking vote for Democrats who will steer the party left. That’s what the neo-cons, tea party, maga did to change the Republican Party (and change it they did).
This notion of a progressive third party is just a waste of time by self-absorbed clique-ish people who fancy themselves too good for “the mainstream”. Grow the fuck up and work with your fellow country-persons instead of this weird romantic fantasy of third party revolution by the superior left…
I look forward to your scathing responses and down arrows. Just know that the fascists don’t care what you think because in all likelihood, that down arrow is the most you are willing to actually do….
Allow me to expand and clarify… Multiple people run for the same office within primaries. Some of them lean more left than others. You can support them by actually voting in the primaries (and especially in state elections), maybe even donating a few bucks or volunteer time as well. But you have to actually vote. You can also write to existing Representatives and lay out your concerns. Enough people do that on an issue, they’ll understand your concerns at least in terms of marketing.
Or just poo poo everything. Write social media comments or mouth off at family dinners, both of which are meaningless gestures that change nothing.
That’s not how the Republican party went further right. They went further right because their previous right rhetoric and aesthetic laster long enough for the economy to continue to collapse and for their constituents to feel real economic pain. So, they had to go further right in order to rationalize the situation in the mind of their voters by blaming the erosion of traditional values even more. It’s a death spiral driven by economic realities, not voter ideology.
In the same way, the Democrats are losing because the voters want a solution to the economic problems but the only solution threatens their true constituency - the owning class. So the Democrats can’t be pulled further left because that would accelerate the erosion of the power of the elite. And the Republicans are forced to go further right to explain why their previous policies didn’t create the change that was needed. Thus, the entire elite, both Ds and Rs are dragged right, back into the original rationalizations for founding a nation in indigenous genocide and chattel slavery.
Voting D will never fix that. The proof is all throughout history. The Ds and the Rs collaborated to purge every leftist they could find in the country - twice. And they may very soon be doing it again, because this is what happens when unions get stronger, when resistance movements get stronger, and when solidarity movements get stronger.
Delusional half-truths from lemmy.ml, and no one was surprised.
The Democrats are doing whatever they can to win elections. If you don’t want them appealing to billionaires, stop fucking letting billionaires influence you and people you know. Get off of Twitter. Get your family off of Twitter and Facebook. Find ways to reach out to people.
This both sides bullshit is sabotage to prevent people from useful voting. Vote for whoever you want in the primaries, but in the general, vote for whichever isn’t a fascist. Yeah, if you’re a neolib and you’re scared of communism, whatever, vote for Mamdani anyway. Have this stupid fight in the primaries. The general is against fascism.
Wow. Fully on victim blaming? Stop letting billionaires influence me? Stop them from influencing my family and friends? That’s your strategy? And you call me delusional?
Perhaps you haven’t seen the Princeton study that demonstrated, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that popular opinion has absolutely no influence on legislation in America. That popular and unpopular legislation passes at the exact same rate, meaning that popularity is not a factor in legislation. They went further to explore what DID have an effect on legislation. Do you know what they found? Legislation passing was directly correlated to the popularity of a law with the ultra minority (>1%) of wealthy individuals in the country.
That’s a very direct tell. The people are not clamoring for things the billionaires want. The party is acting in the billionaires’ interests. The research has been done. This is fact. I know blue MAGA can’t handle facts, but you really need to get this fact into your worldview if you’re going to be effective.
In the general [election] vote for whoever isn’t a fascist
The Democrats are the moderate wing of the fascist movement because America is a fascist project. Everything the Nazis did they learned from the Western imperial powers. The Nazis studied American apartheid. They modeled their plans for the Slavs after the USA’s treatment of Indians (which is still happening right now). They modeled their propaganda on our propaganda.
Our cities and towns, our water, our suburban sprawl, our uranium mines, our prisons are all reminders of what fascism does when it wins. It builds on stolen land, it structuralizes the violent oppression, and it creates genteel social aesthetics to cover it over. The Democrats are the genteel social aesthetics.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg showed us this when she rules against a tribe and as precedent she relied on the Doctrine of Discovery, a papal bull that the Europeans used to kill and enslave 10s of millions of indigenous people. It’s very difficult to imagine something more clearly damning than SCOTUS affirming that Indians didn’t have the right to do something TODAY on the basis of the Doctrine of Discovery. She even said that the reason it was important to affirm is because the entire country relied on this for its legal basis to continue existing.
Democrats and Republicans alike were into ice pick lobotomies for women. Democrats and Republicans alike were into eugenics. Democrats and Republicans alike have a long dark history, because it’s not about both parties being the same, it’s about both parties being adminstrators of the same empire.
It’s the empire that’s fascist. Not just one party. And the fact that you think you can solve this by getting off Twitter and getting your family off Twitter and voting really hard for the less obvious of two facist parties in a violent virulent fascist country is proof that the PR strategy of the Democrats is working exactly as it’s intended.
The country these two parties administer integrated fascists directly into the country’s administration. It supported fascists, and still supports fascists abroad. It depends fascism’s right to organize, to recruit in public, to participate in elections, to participate in governments.
Responsible countries purge fascists. The US does not purge fascists. It purges communists. Anti-communism being a core tenet of fascism, the connection is clear.
But of course. I can’t convince blue MAGA any more than I can convince MAGA. Both groups are completely impervious to facts, history, and reality.
Yeah if we all hate the fascists but then condemn the Democrats, we will have the numbers and the shear power to accomplish nothing….
Seriously, if you don’t like the Democrats then fucking vote for Democrats who will steer the party left. That’s what the neo-cons, tea party, maga did to change the Republican Party (and change it they did).
This notion of a progressive third party is just a waste of time by self-absorbed clique-ish people who fancy themselves too good for “the mainstream”. Grow the fuck up and work with your fellow country-persons instead of this weird romantic fantasy of third party revolution by the superior left…
I look forward to your scathing responses and down arrows. Just know that the fascists don’t care what you think because in all likelihood, that down arrow is the most you are willing to actually do….
Yeah. Very well said. To add, take note of how the candidates they were screaming at us to vote for have disappeared into a cloud of irrelevance.
They’ve entirely abandoned their little handful of supporters.
But don’t worry 3rd Party’ers, they will be back in 2028 to promise a heck of a lot more fun and games for all! Boy howdy!
Thank you!
lol ok sure that will work. this time…
Allow me to expand and clarify… Multiple people run for the same office within primaries. Some of them lean more left than others. You can support them by actually voting in the primaries (and especially in state elections), maybe even donating a few bucks or volunteer time as well. But you have to actually vote. You can also write to existing Representatives and lay out your concerns. Enough people do that on an issue, they’ll understand your concerns at least in terms of marketing. Or just poo poo everything. Write social media comments or mouth off at family dinners, both of which are meaningless gestures that change nothing.
not american but wondering which good politicians you have
Summer Lee in the democrats seems awesome
That’s not how the Republican party went further right. They went further right because their previous right rhetoric and aesthetic laster long enough for the economy to continue to collapse and for their constituents to feel real economic pain. So, they had to go further right in order to rationalize the situation in the mind of their voters by blaming the erosion of traditional values even more. It’s a death spiral driven by economic realities, not voter ideology.
In the same way, the Democrats are losing because the voters want a solution to the economic problems but the only solution threatens their true constituency - the owning class. So the Democrats can’t be pulled further left because that would accelerate the erosion of the power of the elite. And the Republicans are forced to go further right to explain why their previous policies didn’t create the change that was needed. Thus, the entire elite, both Ds and Rs are dragged right, back into the original rationalizations for founding a nation in indigenous genocide and chattel slavery.
Voting D will never fix that. The proof is all throughout history. The Ds and the Rs collaborated to purge every leftist they could find in the country - twice. And they may very soon be doing it again, because this is what happens when unions get stronger, when resistance movements get stronger, and when solidarity movements get stronger.
Delusional half-truths from lemmy.ml, and no one was surprised.
The Democrats are doing whatever they can to win elections. If you don’t want them appealing to billionaires, stop fucking letting billionaires influence you and people you know. Get off of Twitter. Get your family off of Twitter and Facebook. Find ways to reach out to people.
This both sides bullshit is sabotage to prevent people from useful voting. Vote for whoever you want in the primaries, but in the general, vote for whichever isn’t a fascist. Yeah, if you’re a neolib and you’re scared of communism, whatever, vote for Mamdani anyway. Have this stupid fight in the primaries. The general is against fascism.
Have u already forgotten the whole shutdown ordeal? How the hell are we supposed to get away from billionaires when the dems are in bed with them.
Vote in primaries. And then vote in the general.
Don’t tell other people not to vote, implied or explicit.
SLAM!
Well said by the way!
Wow. Fully on victim blaming? Stop letting billionaires influence me? Stop them from influencing my family and friends? That’s your strategy? And you call me delusional?
Perhaps you haven’t seen the Princeton study that demonstrated, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that popular opinion has absolutely no influence on legislation in America. That popular and unpopular legislation passes at the exact same rate, meaning that popularity is not a factor in legislation. They went further to explore what DID have an effect on legislation. Do you know what they found? Legislation passing was directly correlated to the popularity of a law with the ultra minority (>1%) of wealthy individuals in the country.
That’s a very direct tell. The people are not clamoring for things the billionaires want. The party is acting in the billionaires’ interests. The research has been done. This is fact. I know blue MAGA can’t handle facts, but you really need to get this fact into your worldview if you’re going to be effective.
The Democrats are the moderate wing of the fascist movement because America is a fascist project. Everything the Nazis did they learned from the Western imperial powers. The Nazis studied American apartheid. They modeled their plans for the Slavs after the USA’s treatment of Indians (which is still happening right now). They modeled their propaganda on our propaganda.
Our cities and towns, our water, our suburban sprawl, our uranium mines, our prisons are all reminders of what fascism does when it wins. It builds on stolen land, it structuralizes the violent oppression, and it creates genteel social aesthetics to cover it over. The Democrats are the genteel social aesthetics.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg showed us this when she rules against a tribe and as precedent she relied on the Doctrine of Discovery, a papal bull that the Europeans used to kill and enslave 10s of millions of indigenous people. It’s very difficult to imagine something more clearly damning than SCOTUS affirming that Indians didn’t have the right to do something TODAY on the basis of the Doctrine of Discovery. She even said that the reason it was important to affirm is because the entire country relied on this for its legal basis to continue existing.
Democrats and Republicans alike were into ice pick lobotomies for women. Democrats and Republicans alike were into eugenics. Democrats and Republicans alike have a long dark history, because it’s not about both parties being the same, it’s about both parties being adminstrators of the same empire.
It’s the empire that’s fascist. Not just one party. And the fact that you think you can solve this by getting off Twitter and getting your family off Twitter and voting really hard for the less obvious of two facist parties in a violent virulent fascist country is proof that the PR strategy of the Democrats is working exactly as it’s intended.
The country these two parties administer integrated fascists directly into the country’s administration. It supported fascists, and still supports fascists abroad. It depends fascism’s right to organize, to recruit in public, to participate in elections, to participate in governments.
Responsible countries purge fascists. The US does not purge fascists. It purges communists. Anti-communism being a core tenet of fascism, the connection is clear.
But of course. I can’t convince blue MAGA any more than I can convince MAGA. Both groups are completely impervious to facts, history, and reality.
The dems aren’t losing.