Talk inside the White House about invoking the act has ebbed and flowed since Trump took office again in January, said the five people, who include the senior administration official, two people familiar with the discussions and two people close to the White House.

But the debate inside the administration has shifted recently, from whether it makes sense to invoke the act to more deeply exploring how and when it might be invoked, both people close to the White House said.

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    Did anyone else see that weird interview on CNN with Steven Miller clamming up à la Mitch McConnell after he mentioned that Trump would have “plenary authority” i.e. dictatorial powers?

    Unless I’m mistaken, plenary authority is granted to the president when the Insurrection Act is invoked.

    So… Is this an attempt to push that through quickly now that the cat is out of the bag?

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    This gives me such revolutionary war vibes. The “fathers of the revolution” were not revolutionist, they did not want independence from Britain, but wanted thier legal rights upheld. The monarchy feared what they might do and so sent soldiers after them labeling them as revolutionist. Thier message then became one agianst the monarchy, tensions continued to escalate and well, revolution.

    There is not an insurrection, there is not armies of rebels fighting to bring down the federal govermemt… but start a war agianst people and eventually they will stert defending themselves, then we will have a war.

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      Americans won’t do shit (they are currently being fucked and are cheering this on). You are delusional.

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          Still won’t happen. The child rapist in chief has done many shitty things -in general- but recently to the american people and their constitution yet fuck all, FUCK ALL, has been done to him or his Gestapo cronies. Fuck all…except a, haha, ‘protest’ a few months ago.

          If they can’t do more then go outside once every few months to wave a few signs and have a nice stroll then a civil war will never happen.
          It just won’t happen. It won’t. Most are obviously too lazy, too complacent, too scared to lose their mollycoddled way of life to put any effort in. Well, other than tut about it on the internet. And maybe make a meme about it. Possibly throw in a few "See, we told you this would happen"s along the way. The demented geriatric tangerine is the usa’s new king and almost no one has the spine to do anything about it.

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            Some Americans aren’t as excited as you are to engage in the bloodiest civil war yet seen that would likely drag the world into ww3.

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              You definitely need to be more dramatic and about all these fairytales of americans actually standing up to the orange buffoon.

              Anyways, tell me, why will the world get dragged in to ww3 (lol, as if) because of a civil war that will never happen?

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      Kinda graceful looking at it from a “now” perspective. Oh well, they always say the camera adds -10 years of progress.

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    The irrational behaviour of ICE and the deployment of national guards is clearly setting up to agitate and provoke the ordinary Americans into drawing first blood to justify invoking the Insurrection act. Don’t fall for this my American brothers and sisters. You don’t want to be the Southerners this time who attacked Fort Sumter.

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      To the Trump admin it won’t matter if the reason to invoke it is real or fake. The federal government is corrupt to the core and using the shutdown to prevent congress from losing the MAGA majority until the insurrection clause is invoked. There is no ideal solution, it’s just that if you aim for the king, you best not miss.

      The MAGA base is not suddenly going to be turned around and convinced unless you are able to puncture their Sinclair echo chambers, the federal is increasingly going to deny funding to Democratic states, SCOTUS is still going to overturn any impediments federal judges try to throw at Trump, ICE is still going to be ignoring any and all laws since they know they get to eat pardon cake if it ever becomes an issue, ICE is still going to get the biggest slice of the federal budget … “Drawing first blood”, you lose. Hoping a system rotten to the core in all three branches of government turns around and becomes semifunctional when no matter what you will still have Republicans and MAGA at the end of whatever solution comes up, you don’t lose, but at a cost that’s going to be comparable or greater than losing.

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        When Latino people are being killed in concentration camps, congress is dissolved, and protestors are shot dead, people will say it’s a distraction from the epstein files

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      This is most certainly NOT a distraction. It’s the main thing to be worried about. Yes, lets call Republicans pedo protectors and keep pushing for the files but it’s ultimately less important than Trumps outright attempts at Treason.

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        Incorrect.

        The Epstein stuff is tied to all of this, because it shows the extent of corruption and illegal activities trump is involved in. That’s why they’re blocking it. Releasing the Epstein files probably shows he’d be required to be removed from office. Which means all the decisions he’s making and has made are illegitimate. He can only claim presidential immunity to things while performing the duties of the president, while being the president. The Epstein files show his illegal activities waaaay before he was president. Tax fraud. Money laundering. Shit with Russia oligarchs. Diddling kids…

        If this is true and is released, and then the Congress and judges do nothing, then we’re no longer in fascism-lite. It would be full blown fascism, coup, etc.

        This is very important. Everything he’s doing is to prevent this. Release the fucking Epstein files.