• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Watch the AniMatrix.

    There are other ways… to get out.

    … they are just exceptionally difficult to pull off, and can only be pulled off by exceptional individuals.

    … … and they also do not tend to involve a real world hovercraft crew waiting to retrieve your emaciated, atrophied and basically blind body.

    You’re on your own.

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        Yes, I would say that a kind of… immense spiritual awareness, or contemplative understanding of the interconnected nature of reality (and yourself) constitutes a kind of very strong belief.

        Though I don’t think its explicitly stated in the movies that the ‘spoon kid’ … literally pulls himself out of the matrix…

        In MxO, which is I guess roughly ‘secondary canon’, one of the kinds of character archetypes you can play as, is basically ‘zen master’, so yeah I would tend to agree that thats probably another reasonably valid ‘canonical’ way by which someone could escape the matrix on their own, transcend ‘reality’.

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        As in, frame perfect execution of some kind of set of inputs, like a speed runner would have to pull off?

        No, not in the Matrix canon I can recall off the top of my head.

        They’re more focused on an… unwavering belief, or faith, in something.

        Not any kind of technical, machine-like ability to execute a complex task, with high precision.

        The point is being incredibly human in a way that is not machine-like, that’s the way(s) out, not in trying to out machine a machine.

        EDIT:

        As the Architect says to Neo in Matrix 2:

        Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

        They cannot fully account for, figure out a way to fully contain what you might call the human spirit, or irrational faith of some kind.

        Neo’s particular variant of this kind of irrational drive… is his love of Trinity.

        … its rather sappy, actually, lol.

        4 more or less inverts this, it is Trinity’s love of Neo that ultimately saves/reawakens him.

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            Uh…

            I’m afraid you’re going to have to explain that meme to me a bit more, before I can have what I’d call a potentially defensible ‘fan canon’ opinion on that.

            If its literally just ‘escape the matrix by poisoning yourself to death, via eating dessicant pouches’…

            … then no, thats just suicide by way of being an idiot, I would not think that would … mesh with what the matrix world would seem to define as a viable means of transcending ‘reality’.

            Unless there is some kind of…extremely strong, or kind of extremely ‘deep’ belief structure that goes along with this, then probably not, no.

            … However…

            IIRC… if we expand to include MxO’s character archetypes as potentially valid canon…

            Well, one of those archetypes more or less is: you are a paranoid schizophrenic.

            So… maybe? Kind of? … ???

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            They even lampshaded that in the dialogue. Something about a 4th something that nobody asked for or wanted to make.

            The whole movie I was trying to figure out if it was serious or a colossal shit post.

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      Usain Bolt slamming into the end of the track after that 100m, oof I get chills. And he’s practically non-existent now, his true self left this world in 2009

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        I can’t believe there was never a scandal about the short that suggests you can leave “The Matrix” by jumping to your death.

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        tetris11 got it, the sprinter from World Record.

        Essentially, he’s such a top tier athlete, so determined, that he… breaks through the veil of ‘reality’, in his pursuit of greatness.

        Whereas the kid… has an incredibly certain sense of belief in … more or less, the idea of Neo as a transcended individual, as a kind of means of attaining his own transendence.

        … MxO went into more of these methods of either escaping or becoming aware of the Matrix, independently, as basically class build archetypes…

        But I have absolutely no idea what the ‘canon’ status of any of it is, at this point.

        Probably just ‘not canon’, I don’t know.

        Its also doubly confusing because back when MxO was running… different server shards actually experienced different ‘storylines’, due to there being a … roughly every 3 or 6 month … sort of faction competition for which variant of a major plot point would play out in which way.

        So… these different shards all experienced kind of fundentally opposed ‘canons’.

        … but nobody remembers any of that, these days.

        But at the same time…we are our choices and our memories.

        Its also possible that… MxO, or a sequel to it was the video game that Neo was working on in Matrix 4.

        So… who knows, really, hahah!