@goat@sh.itjust.works another example I could have quoted in our other discussion

Now that we see that the decision was a comment removal and not a ban, I’m not sure if you should expect apologies, removing a comment that has since then been restored seems like a much minor event than an actual ban

db0 comes away looking really bad.

It comes looking bad because the whole post was kind of a smear campaign about the instance.

I never received an apology or explanation from the mod responsible. As long as that remains true, and the mod responsible is still a mod, I absolutely maintain my original stance.

Interesting enough, I just had a look at the comment in the thread you mentioned

Oh, my bad. I see that you’ve reapproved the comment though. My sincere thanks.

@Unruffled@lemmy.dbzer0.com, I’d love to know what your thought process was at the time.

https://aussie.zone/comment/18622436

Unruffled never received that ping, their username is @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com

I’m going to try something to kind of settle that issue, it might not work, but at least I will have tried.

@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com , could you please provide some details about this mod decision?

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52333434/21106378

And that thread is now 10 days old and has not had any further comment from the db0 people.

The dbzer0 people commented on the other thread I linked in that comment.

The main dbzer0 admin:

This was unexpected but I’m glad goat came to their senses and realized we’ve never been tankies. Unfortunately all this caused a lot of bad blood which will take a while to heal, but I personally don’t hold grudges like that.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21526306

They might not be as bad as Lund is, but they’re at the very least of the same kind.

That whole episode was quite something, there’s a detailed post about it if you want: https://aussie.zone/post/24299113?scrollToComments=true

My comment there was this one: https://aussie.zone/post/24299113/18642086

Basically, PugJesus was keeping using one comment from a dbzer0 admin, when that same admin made another comment just after that clarified their stance.

There was a lot of antagonism at the time, now things to have calmed down for a bit.

And if you want to see actual admin abuse, let me show you this comment, with a SJW admin calling me an “energy vampire”: https://aussie.zone/post/17029239/14339689

I never reached out to the other SJW admins about that chain of comments, that admin doesn’t seem that active anymore, but just to say that no admins are perfect, I try to not hold grudges to other instances if another admin stepped in and correct the wrongdoing of another one.

Edit: just had a look again, the SJW admin was defending the power trip of the !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone mods.

admittedly, a different admin seems to have stepped in to correct some of the abuse

Seems faster and more fair than what LW is doing due to rules overhead:

• !lemmyworld@lemmy.world
• https://lemmy.world/post/36621226

Edit: goat commented after reversing the dbzer0 bans on ! meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works , which was part of an escalation between PugJesus and goat on one side, and dbzer0 users and admins on the other

I want to start by saying that I know I played a part in letting this spiral out of control. For my part in escalating the situation, I apologise. I do not want this to keep escalating. I want to explain where I was coming from and why I made the choices I did. For starters, I was suffering, and still am, from a loss in my family. I try to keep my personal life separate, but anxiety still seeps through. I’ll try to keep that under control better.

More details on https://lemmy.world/comment/19464677

For the YPTB link: https://lazysoci.al/post/34408656

Everybody in this thread is aware AtomicPoet doesn’t like being called ‘bro’, that’s the reason of the whole debacle.

He has stepped down from his mod position, which is a better outcome than 99% of the posts in this community.

Then people still come at him with this kind of comments.

IIRC, AtomicPoet has autism, the comment above is the equivalent of bullying the autist kid who struggled to understand social norms at school.

Was that necessary?

Edit: for context: https://lemmy.world/post/36281965

Owning his own instance would probably work better for him, so removing himself from the communities where he was the sole contributor seems like a good decision.

But just as important, I’ve been an early adopter of Piefed and probably one of its most vocal evangelists. When I create a new community, it often gains traction quickly simply because I’m already out there championing the platform.

That’s really why I start new communities—to keep momentum going and to help Piefed grow.

You’re not really addressing the distinction I made: either communities are for a wide target audience with more laxist rules, like !movies@piefed.social (by the way, if someone called someone else ‘bro’, would they not be considered civil on !movies@piefed.social ? What if they call you ‘bro’ ? ), or they are more of a smaller community thing with tigher rules, like !videogames@piefed.social seems to be based on the current activity, especially compared to !gaming@lemmy.world or !games@sh.itjust.works

!fediversenews@piefed.social seemed like it was a general community, but your decision about it made it more of a small community with stricter rules, and it seems this is where the issue comes from. If people had known from the start that it was mostly your community with your rules, they would have probably posted on !fediverse@piefed.social and let you do whatever you want on !fediversenews@piefed.social

In other words, if you want a community to reach a wider audience, the rules need to be acceptable by a wider audience as well

Let me ask you honestly—not rhetorically—what would you see as both practical and kind in a situation like that? I truly want to understand.

“bro” is a commonly accepted term on the Internet today. If I had to ban it on my communities, I would add this in the rules, even potentially with a link to a post with an extensive list of banned terms. That way it’s clear for everyone.

From that point on, I promised myself that if something wasn’t clear, I’d do my best to make it clear. At first, I did that with public notes, but then I was told private messages were kinder. So I shifted. Then I listened to more feedback—but this time, things still didn’t work out.

The context were probably different. For moderation decision regarding brigading with non subscribers downvotes, private messages can work better, as users prefer to keep their votes private.

For rules decision, public communication is better, see above.

And this is where the challenge comes in: moderation takes time, it’s unpaid, and when you step into it, you often end up facing dogpiles and harassment.

I’m well aware, but a lot of mods can still mod and step in without being considered power tripping. One important part is to make the rules you apply public, as I said already.

The truth is, I’m the main contributor in most of my communities. I spend hours every day creating original posts to keep them alive. Given that, it’s hard to see what purpose it serves me—or anyone—if a wave of people shows up only to harass.

There are two options for you

1. Join communities where other posters are already active, so that you don’t feel like the other person in charge of keeping them alive. Those communities will probably have other mods and rules that you’ll have to follow.
2. Be transparent about the fact that the communities are mostly your blogs with comments, and state that clearly in the rules. Something like “This is my community about X, here are the rules”. That way people clearly know what to expect.

I didn’t put you on blast, I provided context of previous events, including the ban reversals.

I thought was a kind and gentle way.

We are probably going to disagree here, but messaging people about using a word as common as “bro” today and threatening them from a ban if they reiterate doesn’t really seem kind or gentle.

publicly posted private messages

Messages sent to users from mods threatening them from being banned should be allowed to be made public, as bans should be related to a rule, and rules should be public.

And I do hope you don’t think “go harass a mod” is the right response to situations like this. If something like that ever happened to you on !movies@piefed.social, I would absolutely stand up for you and shut it down without hesitation.

I’ve been on the other side of power tripping, on a movies community no less, so wouldn’t be so categoric about “stand up for the mod”.

https://lemmy.zip/post/25898384?scrollToComments=true

Tl,dr: power tripping mod perma banned me from a community I built, instance admin didn’t want to intervene as it was against their admin policy. It took me months to rebuild that community elsewhere, and that’s probably why I’m very cautious with power tripping mods since then.

Being a mod on Piefed/Lemmy requires more transparency than on other platforms due to the transparency of the mod actions and the federated nature of the platform.

Users here have choices between several versions of the same community, they will usually avoid the ones where the mods are enforcing what they perceive as arbitrary decisions.

Harassment is never a good thing, but mods are also accountable for their actions.

If you have doubts about how your rules or actions will be perceived, feel free to ask on !fedigrow@lemmy.zip where other mods can discuss it with you.

But if everybody keeps dogs piling on him and making this worse for him, it’s not going to allow him to see this in any way other than him being bullied. And to be honest, in a certain extent, that will be a correct way of seeing this. I want people to be able to learn from mistakes and grow and be better.

That’s nice of you.

Unfortunately in this case, this isn’t the first time he’s featured in this community, the other post got removed for whatever reason. The only remaining evidence of that is

• https://atomicpoet.org/@atomicpoet/posts/Ay5OFI2Zn58pA79rAO
• most of those bans have been reverted since then: https://lemmy.zip/modlog/1364327

Looks like piefed.social wants to be the new lemmy.world. lmao

A random mod getting power trippy in a community doesn’t equate piefed.social wanting to become Lemmy.world

As you’re well aware, LW has a power tripping mod on 3 of the 6 most active communities on the whole platform: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/53505862?scrollToComments=true

The mod reported here mostly mods communities where he’s the only poster.

Copy pasting my comment from another thread

The biggest exception to this is !movies@piefed.social. Looking through past mod actions, it doesn’t look like they are as strict in that community as with others, so I don’t feel the need to intervene. However, this is a situation that we will keep an eye on going forward.

Just to add to this, I review the mod actions in !movies@piefed.social regularly, if someone sees anything that should be reported, feel free to reach out to me on Matrix (my account is in my bio)

https://lemmy.zip/comment/21638313

It’s quite something

I just quoted a LW admin contradicting that position in another comment. This is really something.

Quoting @MrKaplan@lemmy.world on this one

we have already discussed topics like the Canadian politics one with him in the past, as we also don’t consider it acceptable what he did back then.

https://lemmy.world/comment/19450869

we have already discussed topics like the Canadian politics one with him in the past, as we also don’t consider it acceptable what he did back then.

Maybe I’m missing something, but if removing those comments was not acceptable, why haven’t those comments been restored?

https://lemmy.world/comment/13966483

As far as I know, nobody ever took the time to document everything like in this post.

The rule is indeed to report OP’s specific interactions with a mod, but in your case it’s kind of a compilation of those interactions, which is why db0 said that your post follows the spirit of the rules

Let’s see if anything is done about https://lemmy.zip/post/48675001?scrollToComments=true