cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/36752354

Got a 7 day ban on !memes@lemmy.ml after responding to this very abusive commenter with this image:

I reported their abusive comments somewhat expecting to get banned as well. It came as a shock to me when i saw my ban but this commenter got off scot-free. They didn’t even so much as get a single abusive comment removed.

This is the most blatant double standard I’ve encountered on that instance.

Link to the thread: https://lemmy.world/comment/19699062

  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
    81·
    3 days ago

    BPR not sure on what planet your behaviour would be classified as ’ good faith’. You look like you were trying to provoke a response, and you got it.

    not a fan of the ableism from /u/Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml either. I would have removed those comments and possibly temp banned them too.

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
        62·
        2 days ago

        yep, your entire issue was that the OP meme wasn’t addressing your specific reason for not liking China, when people said that ‘china bad’ is constantly moving goalposts you were like ‘well, my goalposts are here’

        OP is trying to frame it like most criticisms of China are based on infrastructure as opposed to other things.

        It may not be your criticism, but it’s absolutely a common criticism. If you search ‘china collapse’ on YouTube you get an endless stream of videos about how their real estate is imploding, their ghost cities are made out of tofu, that they’re going to run out of water and food, the three gorges dam is going to collapse because it’s made of inferior materials and badly designed, these types of videos will have millions of views.

        • GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldOP
          23·
          2 days ago

          So because you and your friends think I’m wrong i all of a sudden wasn’t engaging in good faith debate?

          What was stopping that commenter and other commenters from responding the way you just have as opposed to attacking me or trying to be all “erhm actually 🤓☝️” on whether whataboutism is a real fallacy or not?

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
            73·
            2 days ago

            from what I can tell your first post was literally ‘erhm this is logical fallacy’, and you got people making fun of you for that. You were looking for a response and you got it. Like I said I probably would have given given a timeout to both parties at the point where it’s just exchanging insults.

            Different people approach things differently and I’m not interested in getting into a slap fight with you.

              • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
                81·
                2 days ago

                Nice to see tankie brain still in here trying to tell me how wrong i am

                You guys truly deserve each other

                is this good faith arguing? 🤔

                • GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldOP
                  16·
                  2 days ago

                  I disagree with people all the time on .world as well. The problem is thinking you’re somehow still right or rational when your views are so extreme that people defederate from or block your whole instance.

                  It’s prim and pure delusion.

    • GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldOP
      23·
      3 days ago

      I had deluded myself into thinking i could have fair discourse there, especially since it was supposed to be the least extreme of the trifecta. I’m now considering permanently blocking it.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        71·
        3 days ago

        On the other hand, interacting with .ml can be extremely funny when you just accept that you are already banned, they just haven’t figured out why yet.

        Like when I got banned for pointing out that the Xi / Pooh Bear meme originated in China, amongst Chinese netizens, literally as them laughing at their own leader.

        Nope, according to .ml, that makes me racist.

        • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
          3·
          1 day ago

          (((sinophobia)))

          Hypocricy is their super power. Call everyone else racist just like magats. While apologizing for and championing Han supremacists. China has diverse and awesome cultures hundreds and thousands of years old. The Han are trying to scrub it all away. “OnEcHiNa!!!1!!!“

        • GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldOP
          31·
          3 days ago

          Any criticism of China is racist according to them. They throw around the word racism or nazi so they don’t have to do any actual mental labour

          • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            4·
            3 days ago

            Here’s another one:

            Tell them you have a friend who tells you they speak Cantonese and literally needs a translator to understand Mandarin, beyond exceptionally basic, like 2nd grade level vocabulary.

            Nope, that being a thing I have experienced also makes me racist.

            • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
              5·
              3 days ago

              Tell them you have a friend who tells you they speak Cantonese and literally needs a translator to understand Mandarin, beyond exceptionally basic, like 2nd grade level vocabulary.

              HUH? What lmao? What’s the context of the thread? Got a link/screenshot?

              I’m a Cantonese speaker too and I’m just curious how the fuck is speaking Cantonese “racist” lmfao.

              • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                7·
                2 days ago

                That was a while back, on an older account of mine, and, in fairness I guess, that specifically didn’t get me banned or comment mod deleted, it just caused a significant reaction from a bunch of angry commenters telling me that either that was impossible or I am wrong in some way that makes me an obvious either idiot or bad faith liar of some kind.

                It also may have been on hexbear, not ml, I do get them confused, and yeah, this was … I think around or over a year ago now?

                But uh yeah, I think what was pissing them off was my later assertion that uh, no, Cantonese and Mandarin are so distinct, in so many ways, mutually unintelligible to such a large degree, that… its really more like you have the whole family of Romance languages, and though they share common vocabulary roots and grammatical / syntactical roots… they are different languages more than they are different dialects of the same language, the difference is way more extreme than say, East Coast US English and South African English.

                I guess I’d be curious if you agree or disagree with that, as a Cantonese speaker yourself.

                Like uh, I myself don’t speak any Mandarin or Cantonese, but a cursory look into this shows fairly extreme differences in vocabulary, and like, Mandarin apparently has 4 tones, whereas Cantonese has 6 tones?

                And my Cantonese friend was… the one who told me that just no, Cantonese and Mandarin are different languages, we cannot understand each other.

                The fuller scenario was this:

                Me and Cantonese friend go to largest asian market in US West Coast city.

                She encounters another Chinese woman, a vendor, and … she is trying to formulate a question I have about some food, originally in English, she tries to render this in Cantonese, realizes the vendor speaks Mandarin and far less English than my Cantonese friend.

                We futz around with translators on our phones for a while, untill my Cantonese friend randomly finds a Vietnamese woman passing by, who speaks Vietnamese, Cantonese and a bit of English… and we discover that the Mandarin vendor also speaks Vietnamese reasonably well.

                So now, we are going me (english) -> my friend (decent english and cantonese) -> Vietnamese passerby (vietnamese, cantonese, tiny bit of english) -> vendor (in vietnamese)… and then back again.

                We were all laughing a lot at how silly this all was, but it did end up working, and all of that silliness was because my Cantonese friend could hardly understand any Mandarin… and of course because of myself asking some apparently too linguistically complex question about dumplings and noodles or something, and my Cantonese friend really wanting be able to answer my question, lol.

                • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
                  4·
                  2 days ago

                  Cantonese sounds distinct compared to Mandarin, its mutualy unintelligible with each other. Younger people like me who went to school in China would understsnd Mandarin, but older people were never taught Mandarin, and its much harder compared to just accent imitation, its almost as different as two different languages, well… it’s not that different, since both use the same writing system, spoken cantonese is slightly more colloquial, but when it’s written formally, its would be understandable to any Chinese Language Variants (commonly known as “Dialects” but I dislike that term), so you basically pronounce the same characters in a different way. If they can read and write, they don’t really need a translator/interpreter. Just grab a pen xD.

                  Its not just the tones, but also a lot more amount of pronouncible sounds there is.

                  (Jyutping and Pinyin represent different sounds btw, its not an IPA replacement)

                  Like 食 (to eat)

                  Cantonese Jyutping is sik6
                  Mandarin Pinyin is si2

                  時 (time)

                  Cantonese Jyutping is si4
                  Mandarin Pinyin is si2

                  (Difference highlighted in bold)

                  Not only is there more tones, there’s also the -p -t -k endings to the sound, so you get much more variety, less homophones.

                  I always love the following two:

                  劍 (Sword)

                  Cantonese Jyutping: gim3
                  Mandarin Pinyin: jian4

                  箭 (Arrow)

                  Cantonese Jyutping: zin3
                  Mandarin Pinyin: jian4

                  Imagine being at war, and Mandarin speakers lost because they accidentally brought swords to an bow and arrow fight lmao.

                  Or this:

                  雪 (Snow)

                  Cantonese Jyutping: syut3
                  Mandarin Pinyin: xue3

                  血 (Blood)

                  Cantonese Jyutping: hyut3
                  Mandarin Pinyin: xue3

                  Imagine this conversation (imagine its happening in Mandarin):

                  “There’s a lot of [xuě] outside!”

                  “Oh yea its beautiful, isn’t it. First time seeing [xuě] (snow)?”

                  “No there’s a lot of [xuě]! SOMEONE DIED, there’s [xuě] EVERWHERE!”

                  Get it? Because Snow and Blood sound the exact same in Mandarin. Lmfao.

                  I always love Cantonese more, but yea tankies are gonna call me racist and “han traitor”. I’m like: Homie, northern colonizers are forcibly trying to assimulate Guangdong in to speaking a conquerer’s language, calm down lol. CCP Tankies are just like the early US colonizers forcing the natives to speak a different language.

      • altkey (he\him)@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        Iirc, the /c/ommunity you posted it to first bans any user commenting from my instance that you reposted it into, so there are a lot of surprising discoveries ahead :D

        From modlog:

        Banned
altkey (he\him)
@lemmy.dbzer0.com
from the community MeanwhileOnGrad
reason: No db0 allowed

        ed: look further

      • archonet@lemy.lolEnglish
        12·
        3 days ago

        I did a long time ago and my experience has been no worse off for it, I certainly don’t miss them.

  • Skiluros@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    7·
    3 days ago

    ML, don’t forget that it’s a mix of bored teenagers roleplaying as commies and malicious demagogues.