And IBM

I’ll be surprised if it lasts longer than a week. Doubly so if democrats get anything out of it at all.

Objectionable to fascists.

Well, I said “try … sometime”, but also… greasy foods are to be particularly avoided when one has a flu?

https://health.osu.edu/wellness/exercise-and-nutrition/foods-to-avoid-with-flu

Fair enough.

Try chorizo, potato and scrambled eggs sometime.

That’s awful greasy for someone who has the flu.

When centrists’ policy is implemented for them by republicans and they have to pretend they dislike it, they blame anyone to their left and only their left.

It certainly has not. Its in the name it moves progressive but slowly.

I’ve shared many examples in this thread of the people you keep falsely calling “progressive” killing progressive legislation for you. You’ve ignored every last incrementalist victory over the people you want to suffer.

The slide comes from allowing the right to win and move the window.

Democrats spent all of last year supporting an ongoing genocide. They are completely uninterested in moving the window in any direction other than right, just like you.

Incrementalism has worked for decades and has been progressive.

It worked at the only thing it’s for: preventing progress until republicans can get back in and wreck shit. I don’t care what centrists pretend is progressive. Incrementalism has been responsible for decades of sliding rightward. And it’s by design.

How is incrementalism preventing these great progressive victories?

Progressives aren’t the ones who just happen to have just enough no votes every time. That’s the incrementalists blocking progress.

Incrementalism has failed to make things better. It is inadequate to the challenges its proponents claim it to be a solution for. We’ve tried incrementalism for decades and we’re staring down fascism as a direct result of the utter uselessness of incrementalism and incrementalists. You’re touting a 15 year old law that’s based on heritage foundation policy that wasn’t far enough to the right for incrementalists, so they nerfed it even further.

Incrementalism is great for fascists and the single best cover that cryptofascists ever invented.

Still waiting for the alternative to making things better as you can which you call incrementalism.

Actually using the majorities we give them to do the things they ran on.

Speak to me of the great victories of your alternative.

The great victories of incrementalism are all preventing any victory by progressives. Congratulations on your victories over working people and living Palestinians.

What are you even talking about with federal workiers???

Well, I thought that when you referred to minimum wage going up, you were referring to biden’s executive order to raise the minimum wage for federal workers and expecting me to be happy with it. And since one person’s wages went up, fuck everyone else forever. You don’t care. Incrementalism means “do as little as possible to be able to claim you didn’t do absolutely nothing and order your critics to be happy with it.”

You were talking minimum wage which at one point did not exist and has gone up regularly although not enough.

Your position is “be glad you even have a minimum wage.” That wasn’t a question. You’re fucking right it hasn’t gone up enough. And it was the incrementalists you’re simping for that made certain it didn’t go up enough. Which was my whole point. When we give democrats majorities, incrementalists stand in the way of necessary progress. Progress they promised, but have absolutely no intention of ever implementing. They always find some procedural bullshit to throw in their own way and unconvincingly pretend that they’re disappointed. Or not. Sinema’s gleeful thumbs down remains the party’s clearest most enduring message to the working class.

But incrementalists can be proactive and industrious when it’s something they want to do, and they’re willing to violate actual law to do so. When there’s Palestinian hospitals that haven’t been properly introduced to American-made munitions, they leap into action, law be damned.

You are comparing less good outcome with the alternative which is no wage increases

You are playing “got mine and fuck you forever” to everyone who didn’t get the wage increase that only federal workers got because as long as ONE person gets something, incrementalists act like it’s solved forever for everyone.

You have to eliminate the worst crap all over you before you can even start getting really clean.

You have to get out of the sewer first. Incrementalists treat a decrease in the rate at which the sewage as rising as a permanent solution. Those of us up to our armpits in the shit they refuse to do anything about, no matter how many times we give their worthless complicit asses majorities aren’t going to accept “look at those people over there whose lives we made better. Your problems are all solved now shut up” with the same level of satisfaction as the person who says it.

The lets trade better for worse crowd keeps better things from happening.

Incrementalists killed the minimum wage increase for you. Incrementalists killed almost all the tangible individual benefits in Build Back Better for you. Incrementalists had it in their power to implement a public option and chose to let people go bankrupt and die for you. Incrementalists love to claim that gay marriage was theirs, but if the courts hadn’t stepped in we’d still be talking about civil unions. Incrementalists love almost nothing more than a false maximum they can claim is the pinnacle.

The only times I’ve seen incrementalists take decisive action is to block progress and, of course, to sell weapons to their favorite person for their favorite activity.

Today is October 1, 1993.

September is over.

I have yet to see any alternative do anything effective.

Incrementalists make sure that can’t happen.

You support an ideology that has failed. Spectacularly. If you support incrementalism knowing how useless it is, it’s because you like how useless it is.

improvements happen but its been two steps back and one forward since reagan and more more like 3 since bush jr and now we seem to be taking a dozen back.

Then incrementalism has either failed or has succeeded in making things worse.

but having a member of our team incorrectly accusing people of lying and spreading misinformation on their own

He banned me for “misinformation” for breaking down how biden couldn’t have failed to know that netanyahu was committing genocide and sold him weapons anyway in contravention of the Leahy law.

If “misinformation” means “disagreeing with the pro-genocide mod and bringing receipts” this place IS reddit.