I like that this is lowkey a Polymarket Advertisement too. The internet truly is a wonderous place.

Again, you offer no solutions to our problems. No ideas. Your hopelessness is boring and unoriginal.

Yes, I absolutely do believe that guarding against targeted misinformation is more important than guarding against government intrusion since the government can already strongarm ISPs, OS manufacturers, and web admins for information. If cyber warfare is happening through misinformation to erode Democracy, then I’m rooting for my Government over international Government who are also pining for the same control. There is not going to be a perfect solution to this issue.

It really sounds like, with your lack of ideas or real meaningful recognition of the problem here, that you’ve already given up and given in. That there’s no clawing our way back from our current position. Without ideas or solutions we’re destined to just accept what’s happening and it’s every person for themselves. No safety net against this kind of problem.

Finally, I’m not trying to convince you of shit, I’m trying to have a normal conversation of ideas in a public space, but you have no ideas. Bring something to the table besides pessimism or fuck off, yeah?

I’m hoping in the next ~10 years this problem gets solved. I don’t know how, I don’t care how.

That’s the gist of my take.

I think misinformation campaigns by BFAs and botnets are going to be an absolute nightmare for every society worldwide within the next ~10 years. Let’s be clear - it’s absolutely a part of international cyber warfare. This will of course affect the Democratic societies first and hit them the hardest due to politics.

IMO Nations worldwide are already behind the curve and I think the U.S. is a prime example of how misinformation campaigns can be used to quickly sow distrust in leadership, promote division, and start movements. You could argue that U.S. has been headed this way for years, but it’s been a swift change of guard when compared to the past few decades. I think each Nation is already dealing with this kind of cyber warfare but again, are behind the game due to slow politics, slow policies, and lack of policies on tech.

I understand your concerns, but you also don’t have any solutions. Maybe you don’t think that misinformation and botnets through LLMs online are a problem? Maybe you think the majority of society is educated enough to distinguish misinformation or detect LLMs/bots?

I saw Coinbase was allowing buying/selling stocks 24/7

Commercialism has overtaken the internet. We’re in full corruption mode now. Without enforcing rules and regulations, this is where society ends up.

How do we make non-religious churches for decent people? Can we start that movement and move up from there?

I don’t think nonessential sites should have some kind of ID verification, but I do think there needs to be some spaces where IDs are verified.

If we can’t trust the government, and we can’t trust independent entities, and there are actual government entities around the world are pouring resources into both misinformation campaigns and LLMs to use against the populace, what options do we have?

Why can’t we trust The Linux Foundation (for example) with tie ins to government verification systems to socialize on closed box social websites where we know the individuals we’re socializing with are actual people of the Nation?

My point is that we as a society, and each Nation for it’s own security and health, needs to form some kind of plan to fight both non-citizens posing as legitimate citizens and the rise of LLMs doing the same. For the U.S. I’d argue it’s National Security; there’s pretty clear interference from external sources influencing the populace that don’t make it obvious. How do we do that in a non-intrusive way?

I think the line of thinking that the internet needs to stay private, anonymous, and open is old and narrow-minded. It’s no longer the 90s. We don’t live in a utopia. And corporations aren’t the only entities online trying to influence readers/users. If we can’t feasibly educate a Nations populace on media literacy then there needs to be other protections in place.

Marketing used to be able to target a specific area of populace that would be most likely to fall for their ads or influence, but now it’s being compiled into LLMs which are much faster. This is a threat that is just going to continue to grow until it’s a complete shitshow. We all already have very little privacy out the gate (assuming average level of tech knowledge or whatever).

I’m hoping in the next ~10 years this problem gets solved. I don’t know how, I don’t care how, but the easiest solution is to have some sites use a trustable verification system. I don’t think we can feasibly trust any government with this kind of solution, so the next best thing is an independent entity that chooses not to work with said government since ya know, they’re independent. Obviously I’m not suggesting trusting Planitir or whatever because they do have strong ties to government entities.

Cool, thanks for the notes, alternatives, and ideas. Critical thinking on full display here.

Guess we’ll just have to keep dealing with the weaponization of misinformation in the rise of LLMs all on our own.

I’m sure the undereducated will be just fine and utopia is just around the corner.

I don’t think it needs to be government based, I don’t see why it can’t be Independent.

I don’t see why the independent entity can’t work through the local DMV systems for verification.

You can cry “Oh, but then you’re trusting a corporation with your data” and like, first off, it can be a non-profit. Also, what are you doing with your ISP? The browser you use? The websites you visit? Every step of the way you’re trusting some corporation with your data - there’s no getting away from that.

I do think each Nation does need some form of online verification.

It’s pretty clear what kind of damage malicious actors can do by posing as a Nations citizens online, especially en masse and orchestrated. This problem is going to continue to get worse with the rise of LLMs.

The solution is better media literacy, better education, yatta yatta but that straight up ain’t happen, and certainly not at the scale needed to circumvent that kind of damage.

What other solutions do we have other than Nation wide online verification systems?

It’s Capitalism. Microsoft is still #1 in home computer OS un the US. The faster Microsoft falls out of mainstream OS is when the upper echelon of tech can replace it with their own home spying system. It may/may not be personal, but it’s all Capitalism and control. Imagine Meta releasing their own OS - absolute Black Mirror; but if that’s what they’re able to convince suppliers to ship, people will buy it regardless of politics or policy.

Microsoft has been struggling in the gaming sector (public opinion). Microsoft has been struggling in the OS sector (public opinion). They’re still a giant in the tech industry, but they’re certainly sliding and it’s only a matter of time. Bill Gates being painted as a pedo is certainly one of those nails in the coffin of public opinion in Microsoft and Microsoft Tech (regardless who’s actually running MS).

I don’t think it matters. He’s most commonly associated with Microsoft, so that’s what people will associate his actions with when they see / hear him brought up.

I don’t clear Gates for falling in with Epstein, but this dude is clearly the fall guy for the tech sector. From old media to social media.

It wasn’t Gates at the front of the inauguration: Meta, Amazon, Google, Twitter. DJT kept all his Epstein stooges close, that’s a consistent. These folx also are all mysteriously missing from the Epstein files.

Gates is just the easiest target because Microsoft is the enemy of where The Big 4 want the tech sector to go.

AliExpress

Hell yeah, if there’s one thing I already can’t get on Amazon is Chinese knockoffs /s

I mean, how can we be so sure Bezos doesn’t still have influence over Amazon? He sure owns a lot of stocks in it for obvious reasons. He’s bought the Washington Post to spread propaganda. He’s set up Blue Origin to get government contracts. I’ve no reason to believe that he’s not apart of the Amazon problem and their influence over American Markets.

Something about one big club.

probably

lol

Not Joe Pera!

I don’t blame the Citizens. The Citizens are against a huge media blitz working against them: Online, social media, and traditional media. They’ve been systematically targets to oppose on another on multiple levels.

The Democrats and the Republicans both failed. This is Democratic Erosion over a long timeline. We’re seeing the results of a failure of Democracy.

Democratic guardrails were removed over a long enough time and/or were not reinstated fast enough. The same people who thrive in high-level social circles tend to be sociopaths and psychopaths, both can be corrupt, this is humans nature. Technology moved faster than geriatric politicians could keep up with, and this was taken advantage of by both the psy/sociopaths and International Forces. We are living through the downfall of American Democracy driven by both Capitalism and International Forces doing what all Internationals Forces have done since Pangea split or whatever.

We don’t live in a perfect world. Democracy will always be a tug of war between ideas of shared power and the want of absolute power; this is human nature.

The only forces that can hold a POTUS accountable, especially at this stage when there’s so many stooges in place, is a literal mob or the Military Branch. If this administration doesn’t want to give up power; I’m not sure there’s anything to stop them.

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It’s just more attempts at distraction. A blitz of fake information and real information so that we don’t exactly know what they’re planning on doing. It’s both bullshit and “I said I would” at the same time. We won’t know until we know.

Well, that and having a black man as president. Can’t forget the racism!

I mean, does it?

Is the goal to make things worse or so unbearable that society does a 180 and says “Oh man, maybe voting so the literally nazis don’t win is a beter idea.” or does society just get beaten down and beaten down? How long does real society change take? It took slaves what, oh 200+ years? How’s Russia fairing these days?

By not voting you’re actively encouraging things to get worse before they get better.