Compassion ~ Thought
Thank you for asking rather than just assuming something bad.
I was referring to the last paragraph of the OP, e.g. as exemplified by this, its first sentence:
Since China is unlikely to do any of those things, what should Canadians do?
I was assenting that indeed China “should” have done many things, but since it won’t, it falls to Canada to not be sucked in by the false rhetoric.
Hold fast to truth, or else suffer the consequences of not doing so.
You cannot control the actions of others, but you must (are responsible for) your own.
This reminds me of Lemmy.ml, hexbear.net, and Lemmygrad.ml - people get used to talking a certain way inside of their echo chamber and then continue to talk the same way even when they venture outside of it.
Similar with social media but I am making an exception for the Fediverse:-)
Oh, I was reacting to the “We did it! 🥳” part, but no need to take me seriously here. We all can die or try as we each see best befits us.🙃
Maybe in your part of the world. Gaza, Ukraine, Russia, the USA, etc. would like a word…
See also “bot detector” 🙃
…and they turn into hellbeasts? 🤪
It is possible for both sides of a disagreement to wake up and choose
Seems to have a lot of false negatives though (i.e. there is a lot of dipshittery that goes undetected):-P
Pics or it didn’t happen…
Yes I did. Just put it over there with the rest of the fire.
I see your point and raise the following counterpoint conjecture: smol kitten exists in car.🐈😸
I suspect that PieFed communities might be far easier to moderate, using the more automated tools that exist and are being developed - e.g. if someone does not want to see a post with a keyword such as “Musk”, they can use the personal filtering tools to block it themselves without having to rely upon a moderator to do everything for them.
But it sounds like you need a break from social media altogether, which I assure you will be beneficial for your health. A little bit there (of social media I mean) is all you need - rather reading books or practicing hobbies, best of all even is touching grass.
And if you return, PieFed really does have tools that makes it easier to do just what you want on the platform and avoid what you don’t, e.g. rather than looking at your Subscribed feed you could go to just “Arts & Craft” while avoiding politics, or vice versa visit “News & Politics” to avoid digging into memes. For low-volume communities I even have every new post trigger a Notification to alert me to view it first.
I am trying to say that there’s hope, for when and if you return, to dial back your social media addiction. To participate without being sucked in as deeply as you were before. But anyway you do it, take care of yourself first.
Also, I avoided those large contentious communities that you modded but even so I will say thank you for trying to serve others all across the Threadiverse - that speaks a lot to your character that you were willing to hold the line for so long.
I feel seen…
FAAFO.
I mean using ML in the first place.
I am not downvoting you but your reply here is not very well thought out. Perhaps it is just your presentation.
It reads like a “you should smile more, because I am such a nice man” Reddit-esque position, where you should have all the freedom to do whatever you want - e.g. downvote people - but then others should not have the freedoms to respond to your actions in whatever manner they decide is best for themselves?
Perhaps indeed you would be happier at an instance - such as reddthat.com - that disables downvotes, rather than the freedom-loving anarchist lemmy.dbzer0.com. But that would be YOUR choice, you do not get to make MY choices for me.
Also, you are factually incorrect: downvotes are in fact public information, despite how the web UI client and most apps do not provide an easy means to disclose them. e.g. your last downvote (that I can see) was on July 27 for https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/21688252. Anyone at any time can see these, with a tool that discloses that info, and it has always been thus, from the very beginning of Lemmy?
Although I hope you choose to think that thought through more deeply: why should anonymous voting (as you seemed to think it was) be allowed, and also end-users prevented from being able to do anything in response to it? How is that in any way “more” (rather than less) free, when one under-class of users is subject to the nonconsensual recipient of e.g. voting barrages - i.e. you get what you want but neither the recipient nor any innocent third-party bystander is free to do the same? In a truly free society, people need to be able to make choices for themselves - which PieFed provides to end-users in that regard, whereas Lemmy provides that choice only to admins and mods.
Do not gloss over that latter point: there is an enormous distinction between an “institutional(-ized)” echo chamber, where the tools or locality themselves enforces it - an example being lemmy.ml that infamously site-wide bans people from communities that they have never even heard of for comments made in unrelated communities, if they are even slightly critical (or not support enough?) of Russia, China, or North Korea - and the choices of the end user. People should be allowed to dislike things, if that is what they desire, and they should not be forced into using 4chan, if they do not choose to, imho. I can see why authoritarians would want to literally force people into viewing content that they did not want to see, but why would freedom-loving people do so?
Again, do as you please, but I ask that you allow me to do the same (even if I only speak on behalf of those who may choose to use those tools, I am a HUGE fan of their existence, in offering that choice to people for them to make, as they please!:-). As an example, perhaps for 350 days of the year I choose to expose myself 100% to people’s emotional vomiting, but then for a couple weeks I decide to take a break from (waves hands) all of this that is going on in the world - am I allowed to have desires, and to make that choice? PieFed says: ABSOLUTELY, here you are FREE! Lemmy: lol no bitch, you’ll take what a mod decides to offer and like it.
Sorry if I came across too strong here - I recognize that you have been under the oppressive regime of Lemmy and Reddit for so very long, that your position of what “freedom” is (the ability to make choices) is likely very skewed, as mine was too, but the good news is that you do not have to remain under that yoke any longer than you want to: you too are free! Research how PieFed.(social|world|blahaj.zone|ca|zip|au|dk, etc.) works and you will surely stand in awe of it like me! But if not… then that’s okay too, I support your right to do as you please - though I would hope that you would offer the same consideration to others too?
Yes, and maybe, plus no.
When individual users have more tools to work with, the mods don’t have to be as authoritarian. e.g. if a bunch of people complain to a mod of a European community that there are too many posts mentioning Donald Trump and Elon Musk, then with PieFed the individual users can use the keyword filtering tools to tailor their personal view of the shared community content to accomplish that end (best of all there, the options include not only All and None but to filter Some of the content).
Another example is that by labeling highly contentious users, e.g. those who receive >10x more downvotes than upvotes, the users themselves can make the choice as to whether to engage or simply keep scrolling, i.e. providing additional options beyond simply block vs. allow. People that would otherwise be blocked will likely have their content be more exposed rather than less using this tool - or at least that’s one possiblity, which Lemmy did not allow or provide for (offering only Block vs. not, with nothing whatsoever in-between).
Still another example are people who post 10x more often than comment - a potential unregistered bot account, where I guess commenting on their posts could be a waste of time if many people block that account and thus a reply on those posts is unlikely to ever be seen by an actual human?
And still another example is new accounts, less than a couple weeks old, so that your reply may be different to them than an established user.
Yes PieFed can also automatically collapse or hide content based on downvotes received. I have these features turned off but if someone wants them on, then such a person might be better off to use them, rather than feel tempted to downvote or comment on such controversial content? (Edit: imagine a world where instead of comments like “this take is disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself for not thinking precisely as I personally do myself!”, those who don’t want to see such things do not have to, while those that do can have a genuine back-and-forth discussion without such noise. Good fences make good neighbors? This seems the polar opposite of an echo chamber where everyone simply MUST view the same content in one of the same identical manner of options provided, because those are the only options that the developers have deigned to allow for.)
A CRUCIAL difference here is that all of these features above are implemented at the level of individual users, making their own personal choices about what they want to see or not see. Lemmy mainly provides features to instance admins and community mods, but by shifting the choices downwards to the user level, it’s a whole new era in content management, having democratized the process, or at least allowing more for that, rather than leaving all the capabilities - along with all the responsibilities - in the hands of the authority figures higher up in the hierarchy?
I will leave it as an exercise to prove whether putting power into the hands of the people rather than concentrating it into the hands of a few is “good” or not (my personal opinion is that it’s great!), but objectively PieFed seems to offer far more “freedom” to end-users than Lemmy, as I understand it. (Edit: I guess I am saying that if Lemmy is akin to Windows where Big Daddy is always right, not only but especially when he is wrong:-P, because that is simply the only option made available to people - to either stay or go, fully block or fully allow, nothing in-between is provided for - then PieFed is Linux leaving it up to the user to decide individually what is right for them, by tailoring their customization options to suit their desires. Yes that theoretically could lead to an echo chamber where everyone must use a wide variety of flavors of Linux, in which case yes some could make the “wrong” choice - although I would argue there, why is it wrong if that is what they desire? - but don’t forget that the alternative is somehow even more of an echo chamber where everyone must use Windows, so I for one don’t see the addition of these new features as a bad thing? I suppose time will tell.)
Or more frequently, if that’s more fun for all concerned 🤪