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I love how you need to stretch out positives for gnome to have that many. “Uh… It’s popular? And some of the applications have good names, I guess?”
ironic how the gooner one isnt the one with the foot
Amateurs
These are only the safe ones, you coward!
On other news, KDE works, and Gnome doesnt; so that koncludes it for me
What
Huh?
You can’t conclude without DE!
KDE got around to updating the theme Kpersonalizer.
Original for those who don’t remember what it was like:
Jokes aside: I love KDE. Gnome is an idea that would work if you could actually do anything with it (maybe always adding extensions means they should you know make it functional).
Yep the design philosophy of “like it or fuck you” evokes Apple clearly enough. They’ve just cut it to the quick at this point.
Are we sure that Gnome is the most popular? I would’ve expected KDE to be the most popular one, even not considering the mascots.
It’s the most popular because it’s Ubuntu’s default which happens to still be the “default linux distro”. Many GNOME users probably don’t even know what GNOME or a DE in general is (and that’s ok).
If you ask linux nerds, however, KDE generally seems more popular but that’s probably because people who care about this sort of thing tend to value customization and KDE’s philosophy more than GNOME’s.
Source: I use KDE on Arch BTW, guess which category I fall on.
Gnome is the most popular DE for Fedora. Though KDE is popular enough to finally get Fedora to place it equally alongside their Gnome ISO. But I would bet Gnome has at least a slim lead ahead of all DEs.
TBF it’s likely the most popular because it’s the default not necessarily because it is better than KDE (or worse, they’re both good just aimed at different people)
Today, which one you might choose has more to do with how you vibe with either one. So there is no “wrong” choice. But back in the early days, Gnome was the better DE. More polished and definitely more stable. I can remember the crashes and the total crash and burn of KDE from those days. That gave Gnome the leg up to becoming default for many distros.
These days. KDE Plasma is every bit as good as Gnome.
No way to get reliable numbers without telemetry but KDE’s userbase is a lot louder for sure.
All three major enterprise distros use GNOME, none of them officially support KDE.
I think so too. GNOME famously doesn’t prioritize customisation, which despite lots of angry complaints, still doesn’t intend to change. That’s because they already have a solid user base, a silent group that couldn’t care less about customisation and gaming features, and mostly want it to “just work”.
Think the Linux Torvalds type of person, using a workstation distro. Best thing GNOME can do is to minimize changes that break user’s workflows and make sure the defaults are good.
The side effect is that they turn off their corporate machines after work and that’s it for the day. They aren’t going on forums to defend GNOME vs KDE arguments.
The steam deck might make KDE the most popular
With the fall of Ubuntu maybe yeah
Quick, someone make a mascot for KATE!
Also KDE supports window decorations under Wayland, and also a lot better IMHO.
Kate actually does have a mascot, Kate the Cyber Woodpecker
Wow, she actually looks cool!
Nice, but still no furry porn of her…
krita is right there, grab a pen
Hmmm… Don’t tempt me.
Though it would be funny if I was responsible for applying Rule 35 to a second character…
I can also try my own shot at it, I’ll see if I can draw something of her without getting distracted by other projects of mine. Haven’t drawn anything furry/kemono related yet, but will get the cloaca treatment as I gave to the two bird VTubers (Nanashi Mumei, Dokibird) I have drawn.
Well, she’s bird. I’ve seen too many Avali already to get freaked by a cloaca.
Meanwhile in chat…
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Why not Konclusion?
Watching Gnome and KDE from Cinnamon 🍿😎
Own configuration of window manager wins.
I wish I understood, what are those comments and characters and what do they have to do with kde or gnome?
konqi is the green one and is the mascot of kde
kiki the cyber squirrel is the white one and is the mascot of kde’s drawing app krita
the listing with numbers is how many entries with that tag there is, its from the ui of a fanart site that has a lot of nsfw
the joke is that kde is better because there is more nsfw of the mascots
Oh boy
Konqi is KDE’s mascot
Lol, no, gvfs is love-hate. Especially with network drives.
I really wish they replaced KIO with something new or make it actually mount network shares similar to gvfs, this is ridiculous it’s still like that after all those years
It’s one of the main reasons I decided not to use KDE for Linux trials at my workplace. KDE applications can use KIO with network shares and it’s actually pretty great, but I/we can’t stay strictly within the KDE ecosystem. GVFS is great because it provides a fallback, even for the terminal. KIO used to be able to do this too, through a GVFS compatibility layer, but development on that feature stopped.
So we’re doing Cinnamon, all the Windows-like familiarity of KDE and some of the stuff from Gnome/GTK that are just better there. Hope they can reach their Wayland goals this year though, no fraction scaling is pretty bad for some laptops. On the other hand, those displays shouldn’t exist in the first place…
It’s not that it’s complete dealbreaker. I manage network shares on my own via fstab and it’s fine, just not very user friendly.
Besides, what do you mean no fractional scaling? It’s supported since 6.0 and improved significantly since then with more improvements to come. Even Firefox now handles it very well (in my use). I have good time even with weird scaling factors like 180%, 155% etc
Besides, what do you mean no fractional scaling? It’s supported since 6.0 and improved significantly since then with more improvements to come. Even Firefox now handles it very well (in my use). I have good time even with weird scaling factors like 180%, 155% etc
Huh, you are right, I should check that out then, thank you! Most machines we have at work thankfully don’t need it, but a while ago KDE and Gnome seemed to be the only ones implementing it in a workable way for those that do.
If this is the same issue as what Elijah experienced on LTT’s most recent Linux Challenge video - the. I believe the KDE developers are (finally?) acting to fix this functionality.
I think what happened there is that the share is anonymously readable, but not writeable. So he could connect to
smb://srv/shareand it seemed to work, but what was actually needed issmb://user@srv/share- hard to diagnose the issue just from the video though.
Gnome seems to have amnesia whenever using sftp. disconnect once? say goodbye to ALL of your bookmarked network folders even after reconnecting.
Is this brainrot or am i just basic?
it’s pornography
Are these real LLM character sheets???
what?
Is it really most popular?
It’s not more stable than plasma surely, at least when user does any customization.
Simplicity is questionable, unless simple means ‘unlearn everything and do it our way’.
Gnome is more stable in my experience. The base Gnome without any extensions is rock solid and just works without a hitch. Problem is that it’s bland as hell and not very practical. Most of the popular extensions to make the DE are also pretty solid and reliable, as gnome’s extension API doesn’t really allow them to break anything in any spectacular way. Plasma allows better and more powerful extensions, but they also tend to have a bigger effect on the DE’s stability.
That said, I fucking hate how Gnome devs handle the extension API. Every update to Gnome disables all the extensions even if there’s no breaking changes that would cause them to stop working. You gotta either manually edit their manifest files to trick Gnome into thinking they’ve been updated to the latest DE version, or you gotta wait for the devs to update. Every now and then they do release a breaking change that does break things too, and things get annoying. I used to maintain a relatively popular-ish, very simple Gnome extension. But eventually I got sick and abandoned because nobody’s got time to deal with Gnome’s extension API. I had to rewrite some basic shit for no good reason one too many times.
Ignore all the words. Gnome users live in an alternate reality.
and do it our way
Or don’t do it at all because gnome can’t do that.
What do you mean, the workflow for opening programs and arranging windows is the same as in Windows
It really isn’t. Starting from only having a close button on every window, windows behaving differently, not having a panel with currently running programs, etc.
I mean yeah there are windows and you can interact with them, but that’s where similarities end.
super/win+name+enter to open a program, super+arrow key to arrange or minimize, alt+tab to switch. Dragging windows to the edge is the same too
There is literally a panel with running programs, its just set to hide by default, kinda like when you set windows taskbar to auto hide
So it’s really not the same workflow at all? Just this month I’ve explained to really smart people how to use corner tiling in windows and hotkeys, most people today don’t even own a PC. For me, personally, the difference is negligible, for a lot of people it’s really alien.
Idk what your mean, i literally use the exact same way to launch programms in win and gnome. Also counter anecdote, I installed ubuntu on my 65year old moms pc and she just straight up used it as well as windows. But whatever
For a long time it was. KDE kind of exploded themselves back around version 4. GNOME made huge inroads while the KDE Dev team’s got their shit sorted. Main DE to the flagship general user distribution etc. It’s just a fact. And not gonna lie I still have fond memories of GNOME 2.
But the KDE team really put their time in and cooked. It isn’t perfect. But the over all polish shows. Not to mention its been snowballing lately. I have my whole family on plasma 6 right now. It’s familiar as it needs to be, stable and mostly intuitive. It’s just so good. In fact my only gripe right now is a niche Wayland issue and not DE related.
I just randomly tried KDE recently and made the swap from Linux Mint to Kubuntu a week ago. Definitely agree on the polish factor, everything just feels great with KDE and I’ve been pretty happy
The recent evolution is great and I’ve been a happy KDE user for many years, but my oh my is NetworkManager bad. It’s not good on all systems that use it under the hood, but I find it especially unintuitive and so outdated. The applet thing is fine (still suffers from weird behaviour from NM’s core), but actual settings screen drives me crazy… The Bluetooth one should also receive some love, but it’s decent. NM needs serious revision.
Yes. There’s definitely some UX jank in there. I saw something the other day at least about a new unified UX framework to replace the multiple ones they have now. Which hopefully should lead to much more consistency across applications and hopefully some updates and rewrites that will be better.
Meh, plasma was stable enough by 4.4 (when I’ve switched from gnome 2), there were some problems, but gnome 3 released about that time wasn’t any better. I’m not sure about popularity of gnome, it was repeated a lot but personally I’ve met one person to this day that used vanilla gnome 3/4/5/50 not representative of course but it’s just weird that supposedly everyone is running it yet among the category of people that linux is most popular with it doesn’t show.
Gnome lost a lot of popularity with Gnome shell, and for good reason. Gnome made the same mistake Microsoft did with Windows 8, which was also universally hated. By the same mistake I mean they changed EVERYTHING!
What a surprise that a DE created by a Microsoft fan does the same mistakes than Microsoft.
And unlike Windows, they didn’t backtrack on it. Instead, they doubled down and said, “You’ll use your computer our way, and you’ll like it!”
IMO, the whole interface is a mess. It’s designed as if it’s supposed to be a tablet/moblie first DE, but the actual tablet/mobile features (like on-screen keyboard) are kind of crap. Everything about it seems to be designed with aesthetics first, functionality last.
they doubled down and said, “You’ll use your computer our way, and you’ll like it!”
I think that’s a dumb way of looking at it, because you’re not forced to use GNOME on Linux. Just because tiling window managers exist, or scrolling ones, and some even more specific ones (like gamescope, which doesn’t even display multiple windows), doesn’t mean they’re trying to force you to use your computer their way.
Having diverse options is good, it doesn’t lock you into doing things a specific way, it gives you more options of how things work. The only thing that sucks is that they made the change as an update, so previous users might be excluded, but even then it’s opensource, the developers can (and should) change the software to fit their vision, and if you don’t like it you can fork it (which people have done with gnome).
Thing is, a lot of good apps use gtk and so you have to put up with adwaita even if you don’t normally run a Gnome desktop.
Likewise, if you’re writing an application you have to handle gnome’s nonstandard way of doing window decorations for it to run on gnome shell.
I would say that the technical details are a separate thing and I don’t condone gnome forcing CSD in Wayland ;D
Though apps using GTK is another case of having choices, this time for the developers of individual apps.
The whole “it’s just one option and having lots of options is good” argument would make more sense if Gnome was a niche DE that you specifically have to look for and install if you want it.
But when it’s the default DE for some of the biggest distros out there – and especially when it’s the default for some of the ‘beginner-friendly’ distros – then that argument isn’t quite as good. My biggest problem with that is the (pretty frequent) case of users new to Linux and deciding to try it out. So they pick one of the most popular ‘beginner-friendly’ distros … it comes with Gnome by default … the new user tries using it, and they have a hard time with it; it doesn’t do the things they want it to, and it’s difficult and complicated to work around those problems … and then instead of coming to the conclusion that Gnome sucks and trying a different DE, they come to the conclusion that Linux sucks and go back to Windows/Mac … because they don’t know the difference between Gnome and Linux, and they may be unlikely to try multiple different flavors if the first one was ‘bad’.
I don’t have a problem with Gnome existing. In fact, I’m glad it does. I’m glad people who like it have the option to use it. I have a problem with it being the default DE of major distros, especially beginner-friendly distros. It’s giving Linux as a whole a bad name.
That all sounds reasonably fair, but it seems like my point still stands, since nowhere do you actually put the blame with GNOME - it’s the distros choosing it.
I’m also not sure if I’d agree with you in general, it might not be worth bothering too much with users who will immediately dismiss Linux because the distro they chose ships with a DE that has a slightly nonstandard workflow. That sounds like a person that refuses to try or research anything and will probably either make a nuisance of themselves or leave for other weird reasons anyways.
Sure. But the first few releases unfortunately weren’t. And you gotta be conscious of projecting your experiences onto others. I mean I sure do lol. Techy people don’t mind experimenting and putting in a bit of work. But the normie’s do. For nearly a decade Ubuntu and GNOME was what was recommended/used.
Oh sure, there’s kubuntu which isn’t their flagship or similarly supported. So you would run into edge cases and lack of polish on the distro side. There was so much inertia for a while most major distros flagship was GNOME out of the box. Even if KDE, Mate, Budgie, or Cinnamon were avalible from repos or community maintained forks. Your vanilla user was always going to go with the defaults.
I didn’t like it and haven’t touched gnome in years and Ubuntu even longer. But I’m definitely not a Normy.
Ah, right, Ubuntu uses gnome
I’m still stuck with unity in my head, because their gnome got modified to look that way - at least it was quite a few years ago, when I used it somewhereI also thought, that currently KDE is more popular
It’s picking up steam and could easily go that way. The GNOME team with their inflexibility is pushing many away. They even got pop to start their own DE. Because they were tired of writing addons that would break every few releases.
yea, gnome is “more popular”. doesn’t mean it’s “better”, just that it’s the default environment for some of the most widely-used distributions.
yea, gnome is “more popular”. doesn’t mean it’s “better”, just that it’s the default environment for some of the most widely-used distributions.
But not SteamOS which has the numbers on its side. Not that Gnome is unpopular but Steam Deck single-handedly pulled in millions of users who at least occasionally switch from game mode to desktop mode (=Plasma) to install emulators and stuff.
I’m not sure there are more Steam OS installs than RHEL/SUSE/Ubuntu installs.
I’m not sure there are more Steam OS installs than RHEL/SUSE/Ubuntu installs.
Of course not, if you phrase it like that. According to your phrasing non-desktop container setups also count but they don’t.
Distributions like Ubuntu also ship Plasma. The preconfigured disk image is called Kubuntu but that’s still Ubuntu and counts as that in Steam’s surveys which I consider the most reliable source of what actual GUI Linux users actually use.
Couple things there are many computer users that don’t play games like for example me.
Enterprise Linux is not the same as a container and Gnome is flagship for all three of those enterprise flavors.
Couple things there are many computer users that don’t play games like for example me.
And in which credible statistic are those?
Enterprise Linux is not the same as a container
Of course not but you didn’t specifically say desktop-only Ubuntu/… installs and Ubuntu is still very popular in containers that never see any desktop. Ubuntu also ships Plasma, flagship DE or not.
Forget opinions, just look at the most popular distros, which one do they ship with by default?
I prefer Gnome’s UX/UI, but I use KDE because they are faster to implement gaming related stuff.
I’m not sure which are the most popular distros. Mint, Fedora, some arch derivative of the day?
Ubuntu and Debian.
Agreed on debian general popularity but how many people install it on desktop/laptop? Ubuntu is hard to believe tbh, maybe ten years ago.
Really? I can’t find a source that suggests anything other than Ubuntu.
