While the intake report memorialized allegations that multiple girls were murdered and buried at a Trump golf course, newly released Epstein records suggest federal investigators ultimately viewed the source skeptically. Other FBI summaries released by the Justice Department indicate complainants making similar allegations were “deemed not credible,” and no publicly released records show that authorities excavated any Trump golf course or uncovered evidence supporting the claims.

Guess the rich only ever saw consequences once: France in 1792

What would America’s Storming the Bastille moment even look like? Storming the child-rape mansion that is Mar-a-Lago? Who’s head would get carried away on a pike? Miller’s? Theil’s? Musk’s?

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      That we have to use to get to work. To earn money to buy gas and pay taxes. It’s a simple system.

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    America will never jail a president. The country will end before they lose face. Which is why my bets are on the country dissolving. No matter how low or high those odds are. An American president will never face justice.

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    Terribly misleading, intentionally and maliciously so. From the article:

    from a single tipster who contacted federal authorities in 2021.

    So while the “stop trump at all costs” plan was in motion, a single person contacted the fbi and simply made an allegation.

    It’s nothing.

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    So depressing to see this get this many upvotes on lemmy. I want to go back to that brief period where I mistakenly believed that the userbase of lemmy was a bit more intelligent and skeptical than reddit’s. Nope, still just voting on gut reactions to headlines on whether they fit confirmation bias or not.

    ‘sure it’s just an unsubstantiated fbi tip that doesn’t make any sense if you actually read it. but trump bad so it must be true’ A random guy making a salacious claim about a former president without any evidence isn’t news just because you want to believe it.

    +bonus round ‘oh you’re skeptical of an unsubstantiated salacious claim somebody made about a former president? do you think trump good or something?’

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      Considering how much information they had linking Epstein and Trump, and the tip told them where bodies are buried, you think they’d at least get some cadaver dogs out to sniff around the 19th hole.

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        he was already convicted of falsifying business accounts in New York. Its ridiculous that the Supreme Court allowed him to stand for election in 2024

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        I’m gonna go out on a limb and say the fbi probably needs a higher standard of evidence than “trust me bro” to get a warrant on a freshly out of office former president. Good thing this guy claims to have incriminating recordings of trump and oh wait he conveniently can’t produce them, definitely not suspicious. I’m going to assume ‘I was in the sinaloa cartel but they let me leave because I was tight with Epstein’ guy isn’t throwing up even more nutjob red flags.

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          He never claims he was in the cartel but that he worked with them trafficking teen girls. How do we know he couldn’t produce corroborating evidence since the FBI didn’t follow up. It’s not the job of victims or tipsters to investigate. There’s a while Bureau within the Federal government that’s supposed to conduct Investigations. That bureau had plenty of evidence for years linking Trump, Maxwell and Epstein.

          More, just trusting the government is a very odd choice.

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      We (most) weren’t born into lemmy, the vast majority of us came from reddit.

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      There is so much wrong with Trump it’s irrelevant if this is true or not. He’s a criminal and belongs in prison

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        Ok so we agree “some random guy made an unsubstantiated tip to the fbi about a (then) former president” is not news or noteworthy.

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          It shouldn’t be treated as absolute truth but that doesn’t mean it’s not news or newsworthy. The title should’ve been less clickbaity though, sure.

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      Yeah, I haven’t read the article yet, but the headline is certainly inflammatory. Change it to Biden and add some adrenochrome or satanic panic and it’s q-nut BS. I just fucking looove that Blueanon is a thing now. Didn’t we learn anything from that?

      I guess we learned that people are stupid and gullible.

      It makes me feel pretty down because it’s so fucking hard to steer through the misinfo anymore. Hell, it could even be true. I’m too tired to dig on this one.

      Practice information hygiene and stay skeptical!

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    “As you know I represent the Rothschild’s”

    • Jeffery Epstein

    You think it’s a coincidence Ivanka Trump “discovered” an Island they wanted to develop as a luxury resort for billionaires while on (in kushner’s own words) Nat Rothschild’s yacht? You think it’s a coincidence Don Jr married Epstein s bankers daughter? The Trumps have been trafficking and most likely murdering children for decades.

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    How many Americans could shake the FBI off their tails just by claiming the witnesses are not perfect? Weirdly, the existence of Epstein is more understandable than the decades-long tolerance by all levels of government.

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    On one hand it’s important to remember that the allegations were not deemed credible enough by investigators at the time, but on the other hand this is Epstein and his BFF (the orange one) we are talking about. For the moment I’m going to take this with a grain of salt. However, I would certainly love for someone to do a proper investigation of these allegations so we can all finally learn the truth.

    Also, “underage sex parties” sure is a weak-ass way to say “rape parties”, because we know that’s what it really was, or would be if/when the allegations are finally proven.

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      If it’s an underage sex party it is a rape party. Underage cannot give consent so it is always rape.

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      But the allegations kept coming in. Like I get one or two instances, could just reason that as people trying to get some money off a rich guy. But he got at least 6 allegations coming from his time with Epstein (and that’s the ones we know of) and he has so many more allegations from women that weren’t involved in the Epstein case. He was also found liable of rape in the E Carroll case.

      The man is a giant lecherous creep and he has a Wikipedia page dedicated just to his sexual misconduct and allegations. That page has like 30 separate entries. It disgusts me that he got even a single vote.

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        He is most certainly a lecherous creep and quite possibly worse. That said, I do still believe in the presumption of innocence even for lecherous old creeps. It’s a principle that protects us all and a right here in the US.
        I do hope that one day the truth is revealed, preferably in a court of law, and I fully expect that truth to illuminate just how lecherous and treacherous that man and his cohorts really are and I certainly hope that they get their just deserts as a result.

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      What do you think the odds are of that happening, this year or next or whatever?

      Keep in mind, this thing in Iran won’t end. It might get hot and cold with ceasefires Israel routinely, if not daily, violates.

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        After a successful op in Venezuela, he thought he could boost his rep with another one, and then blew it in Iran.

        Now he’ll want an easy win to redeem himself, and he’ll go all in on Cuba, with troops and everything, figuring it will be a walk in the park since it’s right off the coast.

        But he’ll fuck it up, and kill lots of American troops, and innocent Cubans, and even the American Cubans will get pissed off, and he’ll be in an even worse situation than before.

        Never underestimate his ability to totally fuck up EVERYTHING.

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          Initial military success in regard to Venezuela. When the Venezuelan people realize how badly they are getting shafted, they will rebel and take control of their oil again.

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        What do you think the odds are of that happening, this year or next or whatever?

        Feels like an October Surprise moment, especially if Republicans are worried about losing in Florida.

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          Republicans aren’t worried about losing Florida it’s on lock as I understand it.

          But yeah, right before the elections is not a bad guess. I think it would hurt them more than help, but if they manufactured a pretext and did something right before the election before it became clear this was more hamfisted leadership it might not hurt.

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            Republicans aren’t worried about losing Florida

            Their approval rating has been underwater for months, even in that cursed state.

            But yeah, right before the elections is not a bad guess. I think it would hurt them more than help, but if they manufactured a pretext and did something right before the election before it became clear this was more hamfisted leadership it might not hurt.

            The US media does a great job of taking everything Trump says at face value and in the best possible framing for about three weeks after he says it, and then running a bunch of “Can’t believe y’all let Lucy trick you with that football again” articles once the latest fuckery is in the rearview mirror.

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              Their approval rating has been underwater for months, even in that cursed state.

              He made gains with Hispanics then proceeded to sic ICE on them. Now many are conservative as hell and have their own issues with colorism and racism, but I am curious to see how this plays out in 2028.

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            Imagine being so fucking stupid you believe a republican would do anything positive for anyone but themselves.

            You’re already mentally brain dead if you think a democrat would ever help you, you’ve got to be literal rotting zombie flesh puppeted by the propaganda of pedophiles to believe a word a republican says.

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              believe a word a republican says

              “Increase the federal minimum wage to $15 across the country and eliminate the minimum tipped wage.” ~Joe Biden

              not even one standalone bill. they only needed a majority. They skip super majority requirements all of the time with a majority vote, they’ve done it hundreds of times (it’s a parliamentary rule only and not the law).

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        The Iran situation is going to end the same way as Afghanistan. USA will declare job done and just leave, leaving the mess for others to sort out. Oil production will ramp up elsewhere where it’s suddenly profitable to extract because of the higher prices which will eventually find a new balance. Israel will kill a lot of people domestically and play the victim.

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          I see a world war where the whole world finally gets tired of America and decides that the USA could do with some major demolition projects.

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            I don’t think anybody wants that, or not from the current Iran conflict anyway.

            Trump just declared the war over about an hour ago.

            Whatever these stupid events are, it’s probably not escalating to a world war.

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              and in 3 hours he will ask our former allies for help ending the war. and 24 hours after that he will be claiming we are winning the war. and in a few days he will say that we won the war months ago.

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        As an armchair general I would guess before midterms if they are set to lose (and if losing means they won’t be able to start a new invasion), and after if not. But in any case Cuba isn’t much of a challenge compared to Iran, so it won’t be hard to invade, militarily speaking

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    I’m tired of these “breaking news” stories about FBI tip line calls reporting stuff Trump did with Epstein.

    ##We are being played.##

    I feel 100% certain that there is recorded evidence of Trump having sex with underage girls, but that is not what we have here. We are like cats chasing lasers on the floor while the real shit gets covered up.

    Don’t fall for this distraction.

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      I feel 100% certain that there is recorded evidence of Trump having sex with underage girls

      RAPING. The world you were looking for is RAPING. Trump RAPING underage girls.

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      Yeah, Epstein died 7 years ago, during Trumps first term as president, and since neither Trump’s nor Biden’s administrations released the files entirely so far, there is a huge risk that the most damming evidence has been lost or tampered with.

      At this point, I hope that there are a few agents who has managed to save unaltered copies of the files in a hidden locked box, just waiting for a good opportunity (for themselves) to release them.

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      Yeah, most of the Epstein files have not been released. That is an objective fact. And obviously it is the worst (for Trump) which they have held back, even though the stuff they have released is already pretty bad for him.

      They are not going to release anymore though.

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      Also this is just an fbi tip. They are legally required to document the claims; that doesn’t mean they are any more than claims. We should not be focusing on unsubstantiated shit when there is definitely more concrete evidence out there.