• Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    16·
    2 days ago

    No matter how fanboi-y a Linux or Apple user gets, they can never out fanboi a Microsoft fanboi. They take making shit up about competitors to a entirely new level.

    • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 days ago

      I know it gets thrown around a lot, but the Dunning-Kruger effect is real and applicable to people in all fields.

    • presoak@lazysoci.al
      51·
      2 days ago

      But once you read his words he’s got a foot in the door. Then he’s harder to ignore.

      So maybe it’s harder to ignore fools on social media. Which would make social media a kind of fool-enhancer.

      I guess this is where blocking comes in. But that seems drastic.

      • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 days ago

        Blocking is severe, but boy is my feed clean of morons (I think I’ve only blocked like 30 people on Lemmy).

        You gotta try it. Very satisfying to click ‘read all’ on your inbox now and then to clear out notifications for new (hidden) messages from trolls you’ve blocked.

  • DylanMc6 [any, any]@lemmy.mlEnglish
    4·
    2 days ago

    sometimes if you have nothing nice to say to that person, just post rocky horror .gifs. i really wish this site would have a .gif finder though. seriously!

        • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works
          4·
          2 days ago

          Punchable is a bit far, probably wanna tone it down a bit, big guy.

          Just kidding, but it’s only funny and also is it this guys fault?

          I don’t even know if it’s true, but in any case, the guy who tasked a react (native) developer on the start menu is responsible (not the developer).

          Example: If I managed a product and hired a python developer and told them to do x, they would likely use python, right? (In this scenario, It is I the manager wjo failed everyone, not the developer).

          Also the other commenter is correct. It’s like the common saying “use the right tool for the job”. The saying doesn’t make sense, because the right tool is always the one you know how to use…

          • Victor@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 days ago

            Punchable is a bit far

            Didn’t mean that literally 😁 I just thought it was funny to describe a written response as punchable. But the response was annoying.

            It might not be the developer’s fault, but him practically defending the choice by completely dodging the performance aspect is irresponsible to me. It’s like he’s ashamed to discuss it. Or doesn’t have the knowledge to?

            A good developer should speak up and say that they might not have the skill set required for the task. That’s my opinion. Either that or learn the ropes but flag for extra time needed.

            the right tool is always the one you know how to use…

            100% disagree. There are more suitable tools for certain jobs.

            Hello I am looking for a job as a surgeon. Okay what tools do you know? Jackhammer. That’s the only one you know? Yup. Mmkay then that’s the right tool for surgery in your case, can you start Monday?

            🫠

            Imagine someone using Java to write a program that just runs several other commands in sequence. That should really be a script, and the developer should learn a sufficiently suitable shell scripting language.

            But yeah, ultimately I agree, it’s not his “fault”. Especially if he flagged this to be something a bit out of the ordinary, and his manager(?) insisted. Then it’s 100% not the guy’s fault, for sure ong.

        • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
          4·
          2 days ago

          In the era of tech evangelists? People pick 1 technology branch and make it their entire personality

          • masinko@lemmy.world
            3·
            2 days ago

            That’s still a stupid reason. I’m a .NET & MSSQL developer primarily, I’m not gonna shove C# in every project I write if it doesn’t makes sense.

        • AeonFelis@lemmy.world
          6·
          2 days ago

          Probably, but only because at this point I’m fairly certain reality itself must be a parody of something.

    • [object Object]@lemmy.world
      12·
      3 days ago

      Well, at least it’s React Native, seemingly. Also from what I’ve heard it’s only one section like rendering results from the web or some shit like that.

  • FE80@lemmy.worldEnglish
    601·
    3 days ago

    What kind of shit for brains asshole is still defending Windows in 2025?

    • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
      253·
      3 days ago

      And what kind of slavering mouth-breathing teoglodyte doesn’t understand that Hannah Montana Linux negates all of these issues, will suck your dixk without hesitation, and lets you read news from four days from now.

    • highball@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      Yeah, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There is a shitload of frontend developers that specialize in web standards and technologies. Electron was developed to take advantage of that deep pool of frontend developers. The side affect, is that other OSes can just support electron and they get the developers and the applications for free. Which has been a major boon for Linux users and those looking to escape Microsoft’s vendor lockin strategy. Today might be different, but in the past, nobody was intending to support Linux by creating electron apps. If they cared so much or it was so important, they would have been using Qt and GTK prior to Electron.

      • TangledHyphae@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 days ago

        Dear god, I had to write wxWidgets/C++ for Win32 last year for work and it was horrific. Never again, back to modern web standards for me. The irony is that it was justified as being “cross platform” but we never got around to actually making it work on Linux. Makes no sense, it should have been an internal web app. (Admittedly, this was for law enforcement software and they seem to love windows.)

    • squaresinger@lemmy.world
      91·
      2 days ago

      Tbh, it’s not entirely wrong, which is the reason why it works so well as rage bait.

      It’s really not about Linux, but it is about supporting anything and everything out there with a single app. Use Electron and you can have the same app running on Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, your car, your game console, your smart fridge and in a website.

      Of course the result sucks, but if you can cut development effort into a fraction while also supporting systems that you would have never supported otherwise, that’s not a bad deal for businesses.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      Probably “Native Linux apps are made in Linux-only bullshit by useless neckbeards, and probably only run in the terminal. Real actual apps like Discord made by a for-profit corporation have to be made cross-platform.”

  • MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zipEnglish
    3331·
    3 days ago

    Electron is the only cross platform gui toolkit…

    If you ignore QT, GTK and everything else.

    I’m so glad that Microsoft makes an awesome cross platfor— wait, no, but they contribute code to— hmmm … Hey, what does Microsoft do to make apps more portable again?

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
      1631·
      3 days ago

      The real reasons often are:

      • They want be able to hire much cheaper webdevs instead of software devs.
      • Electron has a lot of built-in data collecting metrics, which they urgently need for creating a real-life KITT.
      • Easy live embedding of content. Sure you can add your own solution, in fact I created ETML as a solution for this problem for my engine, all without any support for nasty scripting languages or convoluted stylesheets (style-inheritance in CSS turned me off from webdev even more than JS did). At best, it can be used for things like embedding videos on Discord, because no one else thought some universal approach, let alone one that disallows proprietary players. At worst, it’s being used for ads.

      Also a lot of Windows-only apps are Electron apps, only because the manufacturer wants to go “fuck you”, even putting protections into the code just in case you wanted to run it on Linux.

      EDIT: Forgot the “live embeds” reason.

      • klangcola@reddthat.com
        14·
        3 days ago

        Another reason is when developing the Web version first. Draw.io is a good example, where we get a bonus desktop(electron) version “for free” though the product was developed as a web app.

    • lime!@feddit.nu
      75·
      3 days ago

      one of the funniest (and sadly accurate) things i’ve heard said about linux backwards-compatibility is that its most stable API is Win32. you can run really old windows software on wine because they support stuff even windows doesn’t anymore.

      of course this is because the expectation is that you can just recompile old software to work on new systems, which is not really a thing on window.s

        • Archer@lemmy.world
          1·
          21 hours ago

          It’s very amusing to imagine devs carefully watching for an EOL/EOS date and starting to build software only after

    • Valmond@lemmy.world
      37·
      3 days ago

      It’s so portable! With maximal efforts we support both windows 7, windows 8.1 (but not 8.0), windiws 10 and soon Windows 11 !!!

      /s

      • addie@feddit.uk
        20·
        3 days ago

        Python tkinter interfaces might be inefficient, slow and require labyrinthine code to set-up and use, but they make up for it by being breathtakingly ugly.

        • da_cow (she/her)@feddit.org
          4·
          3 days ago

          And now imagine yourself creating an UI in tkinter without an editor. Because that’s what I did. It was absolutely horrible.

              • Lucy :3@feddit.org
                1·
                2 days ago

                For efficiency, just use the cli. The user doesn’t want it? Then I don’t want the user.

                • da_cow (she/her)@feddit.org
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  I do not want the user to ever be expected to edit the database by hand. If they make a mistake by doing so, they can break the entire system. That’s why I wrote a GUI which gets the job done.

        • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
          3·
          3 days ago

          Ugh, and they’re just weird. I can handle ugly but ktinker popups go across virtual desktops and over other windows for some ungodly reason, and never seem to dismiss themselves properly

        • Bobo The Great@startrek.website
          1116·
          3 days ago

          Also each is pretty bad in terms of usability and practicality, either losing integration because “containerized” or taking GBs of space or both.

          Edit: guys relax, I’m not a linux hater, I use it daily. But windows does have a unified environment, which makes deployment so much easier, while linux doesn’t. And that’s a problem since you either have old broken apps on distro repositories, or impractical, potebtially bloated, and even more fractionated environments like those I mentioned. They are patches and we should work towards a more standard environment, not adding more and more levels of abstraction like electron does.

          Even Torvalds says it so.

          • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            151·
            3 days ago

            AppImages can get quite large because each app is self-contained, but the “losing integration” part is nonsense these days for any of these formars. That’s why we have portals, and if those aren’t enough you can still give the app full permissions.

            • Bobo The Great@startrek.website
              46·
              3 days ago

              Appimages are usually quite reasonable in size, it’s Flatpak that usually require 2/3 GB per app since every package has its own version of KDE/Gnome or other runtimes so every app still has to download a new one.

              • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                102·
                3 days ago

                That’s simply not true, if the required dependencies are already downloaded they get used by every Flatpak app. If you have three apps requiring the Gnome 46 libs those only exist once.

                I don’t know where this myth about Flatpaks always being gigabytes in size originates from or why it’s so persistent, but it’s wrong.

                • Samueru_sama@programming.devEnglish
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  I don’t know where this myth about Flatpaks always being gigabytes in size originates from or why it’s so persistent, but it’s wrong.

                  Alright, here is ~25 GUI apps flatpak vs appimage:

                  • 6 GiB flatpak.
                  • 2.7 GIB appimage.

                  This is if you have a filesystem with transparent compression, If you do not have such filesystem (ext4), then it is more like 15 GIB vs 2.9 GiB lol.

                  This comparison is missing the flatpak equivalents of kdeconnect, deadbeef and a few CLI tools that I have on right btw, flatpak-dedup-checker for some reason doesn’t check the /var/lib/flatpak/repo directory which is usually another +1GiB in best case scenario.

                • Ghoelian@piefed.socialEnglish
                  1·
                  3 days ago

                  In my experience the issue is different flatpaks depending on different versions of gnome platform or mesa or whatever, so you have multiple versions of the same library.

                  I have plenty of storage though so I don’t care that much.

                • Bobo The Great@startrek.website
                  41·
                  3 days ago

                  I’m not saying that’s not true.

                  I’m saying I’ve almost never downloaded a Flatpak that didn’t require a new dependency downloaded.

                  When I removed all my flatpk some time ago, I had: Steam, Viking, Discord, FreeCad and Flatseal to manage them. All of them and their dependencies used something arounx 17 GB of disk space (most of which was of course several versions of dependency runtimes), and that was after I removed all the unused runtimes that forn some reason it doesn’t remove after I uninstall or they are upgraded.

                  I’m sure if I installed more Flatpaks, some dependencies would eventually be reused, but you still need a good collection of them at any given time. So in pracrice you still need a lot lf space unfortunately.

          • rtxn@lemmy.worldM
            61·
            3 days ago

            losing integration because “containerized”

            Bollocks. I’ve seen that many times with Flatpak (can’t speak for Snap), and every single time it was either because the packager failed to set up permissions or because the user messed with permissions that the application needed. Break off the tip of a screwdriver and it will no longer function as a screwdriver.

            And I know you’re talking out of your ass because AppImage isn’t even sandboxed.

            taking GBs of space

            That part is true and accurate, and for a very good reason: dependency pinning. System packages can break if they don’t have the correct versions of shared libraries. If a package requires a very old version of a library, and doesn’t link it statically or supply it with the package, it can misbehave, have missing features, or refuse to even start. Flatpak (and probably Snap too, can’t speak for it) solves that by letting the packager specify (pin) the exact version of a dependency. If five separate packages require five different versions of the GNOME application framework, then they will download five separate packages of the correct version. AppImage solves it by being monolithic: everything is packaged together into a single executable.

            • ryper@lemmy.caEnglish
              3·
              3 days ago
              losing integration because “containerized”

              Bollocks. I’ve seen that many times with Flatpak (can’t speak for Snap), and every single time it was either because the packager failed to set up permissions or because the user messed with permissions that the application needed. Break off the tip of a screwdriver and it will no longer function as a screwdriver.

              Well then I guess you haven’t tried to get a password manager like KeepassXC to work with a Flatpak browser, because none of the solutions I’ve seen are “fix the permissions”.

            • Bobo The Great@startrek.website
              1·
              3 days ago

              I don’t know if it’s still the case, but up to a couple of years ago, Flatpak was configured so that externally mounted folders were not accessible. I discovered that when Steam on flatpak refused to install games on my hdd, and it was quite frustrating to figure out how to enable it. Still, it’s difficult to criticize how “bloated” are electron apps (they are) when I need to download 2GB or runtime for an 80MB telegram binary

              Snaps integration is even worse as I’ve seen browser extensions state they straight don’t work on snap’s browsers. Also desktop integration on gnone (even files drag and drop between snaps) are broken on the ubuntu installations I tried.

              Appimages have the least drawbacks and are my preferred methods between the three (at least they take less storage space than an equivalent Flarpak for some reason, but are still broken sometimes), yet they still miss a central package repository, and that’s a big problem.

          • teolan@lemmy.world
            31·
            3 days ago

            Flatpak is good. I say that as both a user of them and a dev of applications that are published as flatpaks.

    • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
      6·
      3 days ago

      .net
      .net cli apps are cross platform and can be portable :p
      Gui in .net isnt fully cross platform ( maui is everything except linux ) but frameworks like avalonia ( .net ) and imgui fix all that :')

        • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 days ago

          Nope. The ui framework doesnt support linux at all. None of its cross platform claases and enums have linux. Its stupid because .net and aspcore just work on linux…

        • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
          1·
          3 days ago

          Winforms of all things haha. Eeuw xD
          But thats flipping awesome and i love it! I know xamarin was wpf being cross platform with mono, but thats a dead horse thanks to microsoft haha

          • mittorn@masturbated.one
            2·
            3 days ago

            @DacoTaco Yes, it’s Microsoft decided to kill classic win32 widgets and any XAML support in Mono, forcing new WinRT platform and not providing any GUI support in netcore. It’s sad that nobody made some crossplatform WPF implementation for modern dotnet, Maui is not incompatible with existing source code, IIRC

            • hdsrob@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              3 days ago

              It’s sad that nobody made some crossplatform WPF implementation for modern dotnet

              That’s basically Avalonia UI.

              I believe Uno Platform is similar, but less of a WPF variant, and closer to Xamarin or MAUI in the style of Xaml that they use.

              • mittorn@masturbated.one
                1·
                3 days ago

                @hdsrob
                >That’s basically Avalonia UI.
                no, avalonia cannot help you run existing applications. Also. Avalonia is a crap, taking minutes to parse xml crap on poor hardware
                Yes, there are many implementaion of WPF-like UI, but no implementation of existing Windows UI.
                mono’s winforms allows you run existing winforms apps without single line change or even without recompiling (just replace related System.Windows.* assembies)

            • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
              1·
              3 days ago

              Avalon is actually xaml and cross platform. Personally id rather have a razor format of gui code, but xaml is a good second. Its basically what maui was suppose to be

    • teolan@lemmy.world
      524·
      3 days ago

      GTK is not accessible anywhere other than Linux and is therefore not a serious option outside of Linux.

  • arc99@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    2 days ago

    Every operating system contributed to the bloat. Windows has Win32, OS X has Carbon / Cocoa, Linux has X11 and various widget libs that sit on top of it. So it has been a perennial nut to crack to make cross platform widgets - wxWidgets, QT, SWT/JWT/Swing on Java, XMLShell (Firefox), Electron, GTK/GTK#, winelib etc.

    Throw mobile platforms into the mix and it’s an unholy mess. Lowest common denominator is HTML and so the likes of Electron “wins” even though it’s bloated and slow.