• Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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      12 days ago

      I fully agree. I am a user with a bit of technical background, but not a lot of detailled knowledge about the inner workings of an operating system (i know boolean logic and basic programming structures - in Pascal lol - from the 90’s, what a transistor does and stuff, how to build my own PCs and handle filesystems and troubleshooting).

      With init scripts, i hit a wall pretty fast.

      With Systemd i know how to start, stop and configure services, and the suite built around it uses the same conventions everywhere, making the everyday life with Linux for someone like me so much easier and more transparent than ever before.

    • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      12 days ago

      Have you considered that just “reaping old process IDs” wasn’t enough responsibility for an init daemon on a secure, robust system? That maybe it should be protecting other parts of the system and tracking the liveness of a desired service?

      What is the benefit of specifically doing that in init?

      If I see an argument like this then I can only assume the interlocutor doesn’t do software engineering.

      Its more likely that the user simply has simple needs like running stuff at startup which any init system can do and doesn’t see as much benefits as poster.

      Also who loves systemd-resolved?

      • azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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        11 days ago

        Being able to assign a nameserver per interface with a domain wildcard is a fucking godsend. I use it every day with a hook script because my job uses some private domains but I don’t want to send my entire DNS history through the VPN. Now ~job.com goes to tun0 and that’s the end of it.

        systemd-resolved is not perfect but with libnss’s overly rigid nature the only alternative for my use-case would be to recreate similar functionality to resolved with dnsmasq – which is just objectively worse especially when you want to use DHCP sometimes but not always. Why reinvent the wheel? resolved does its job and does it well. I had some issues with it a few years ago but have been using it for the past couple years without complaint.

      • Cenzorrll@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        I just had an issue with the vscodium flatpak, been using it for two months with no issue in an online course, got to learning GUIs, import module, doesn’t exist. I couldn’t figure out why it wasn’t there, installed three different python versions of it three different ways, still nothing. Couldn’t even get vscodium to point to a different interpreter that I knew was there (yet it doesn’t say it’s not there, just that some things won’t work). Still nothing. Three hours later, after trying everything I could think of, I realized that it was because I installed the flatpak version when it clicked that it worked in Geany and I didn’t have python 3.13 in my repos, yet that was the only one I could see in vscodium.

    • DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      11 days ago

      Bill Gates actually was pretty cool, it’s windows after Bill Gates that’s terrible. I can’t say there was anything Bill Gates did that I didn’t like, he was like the Gabe Newell of operating systems before steamdeck.

        • DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          10 days ago

          I don’t think this statement is controversial and besides I own sex toys lol.

          Bill Gates was actually cool. The only bad thing he ever did as far as I’m aware, was lock direct X into windows. He even spends all of his time now in charity work and funding science. I think he was a great guy. This is why windows used to be the best operating system. He was smart and not overly greedy. He didn’t care for spyware or corporate espionage on citizens. Windows was a relatively open system. Not as open as Linux, but very open and good, and it had excellent tools and a really good user interface. Now windows is terrible, but this is after he left Microsoft.

  • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
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    12 days ago

    Listen, we’ve all done it.

    We all have bash or fish or zsh aliases to do it in command.

    We all love the feeling of a pulsing phone in our asses.

    But we don’t talk about it.

  • psycho_driver@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    I do not particularly care for it and most of my systems are still systemd free. Much like pulseaudio in its later days, I’ve learned to deal with it when I must. Also like pulseaudio, something better will probably come along.

  • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 days ago

    Systemd is fine.

    Journald is fine.

    But someone pass me a mace I can beat systemd-resolved and systemd-logind to death with

    EDIT: Oh come on

  • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
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    12 days ago

    I don’t get the systemd hate. The most common complaint I see is that it’s too bloated, but Arch uses it, so what gives? Is it just that people dislike change? Like Wayland hate (not Wayland frustration)?

    • PiraHxCx@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      11 days ago

      From what I heard, people hate systemd because Linus Torvald was approached by the NSA to create a backdoor on Linux, he said it wouldn’t be possible to change the kernel because there were too many eyes on it, there was a mysterious hack of kernel.org introduced a mysterious code but it was spotted and removed… well, what was the only other thing common to all Linux? The sysv-init, but it was too small, too tight, too specific for them to create a backdoor there, they needed something big, bloated, doing way more than it should do, like it was just supposed to start the system but it can also do unrelated stuff like handling DNS, and an American company shows up bringing systemd, that solved all the problems the NSA had to create a backdoor on Linux, and all distros jumped into the honeypot :)

  • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago

    I’ve only ever used systemd, and I’m not really aware of what else is out there, since I think systemd has been the default on all the distros I’ve tried. Anyone have some good resources on other alternatives and how to start playing around with them?

    • anyhow2503@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      Most non-systemd users are either contrarians or people who don’t want to switch their workflow from some other system that they already know perfectly.

      I will always welcome alternative systems on principle alone, but at this point there is not much need for linux “consumers” to consider anything else (unless their distro doesn’t ship with systemd of course).

  • juipeltje@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    For my basic needs it always felt more confusing then necessary. Don’t have a hate boner for it, but i prefer not to use it at this point. I’m using Void and i really like how simple runit is.

    • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
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      12 days ago

      Ehh it’s very easy to use. Simpler then init actually but some people hate change.

      • juipeltje@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        Well i’m not saying it’s rocket science, but compared to runit/rc.local or simple autostart scripts i do think it’s easier. I converted everything from my autostart script to systemd services when i was still on NixOS, and the whole thing seemed so convoluted. With having to set services to depend on each other, and also had a lot of problems with things like nm-applet or blueman-applet not showing up in the bar at all, and couldn’t find a way to fix it.

    • bulletmark@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      When looking for an alternative to replace Arch ARM on my Raspberry Pi I tried Void but gave up after discovering it does not use systemd.