Overnight on Tuesday, Sept. 30, federal agents from different agencies raided an apartment building on the South Side of Chicago, the nation’s third-largest city by population. Armed federal agents in military fatigues busted down doors, pulling men, women and children — some of them allegedly naked — from their apartments, residents and witnesses told the Chicago Sun-Times.

A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security said agents with Border Patrol, the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives arrested 37 people without legal immigration status, including some with criminal records. The spokesperson claimed the South Shore neighborhood is “a location known to be frequented by Tren de Aragua members and their associates.”

“Due to the size of this operation, DHS law enforcement is continuing to gather more information on those arrested and will provide more information when available,” the spokesperson said. “Federal law enforcement officers will not stand by and allow criminal activity flourish in our American neighborhoods.”

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    That’s a lot of extrapolation. I don’t care about the company, I only asked a logistical question. I was thinking how they could have prevented this from happening. Unfortunately I don’t think it’s possible.

    Having rented a moving truck before, I’ve been asked the basic questions of expected mileage or if you’re driving it out of town and whether you want additional insurance. My point was that there is no method to verify what the customer says about their purposes. Rentals get used for purposes other than house moving all the time and there’s not really a way to stop it.

    I have no warmth for the largest moving company in North America, which is why I use a local option when possible, but I also won’t attribute malice for what isn’t possible for them to stop.

    It’s entirely plausible this same thing is happening with rental trucks of Penske or small local places and it just hasn’t made the news. Despite naming them, my question had nothing to do with U-Haul specifically, so coordinated action isn’t particularly relevant unless you are advocating everyone buy their own moving truck.

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      That’s a lot of extrapolation. I don’t care about the company, I only asked a logistical question. I was thinking how they could have prevented this from happening. Unfortunately I don’t think it’s possible. Having rented a moving truck before, I’ve been asked the basic questions of expected mileage or if you’re driving it out of town and whether you want additional insurance. My point was that there is no method to verify what the customer says about their purposes. Rentals get used for purposes other than house moving all the time and there’s not really a way to stop it. I have no warmth for the largest moving company in North America, which is why I use a local option when possible, but I also won’t attribute malice for what isn’t possible for them to stop. It’s entirely plausible this same thing is happening with rental trucks of Penske or small local places and it just hasn’t made the news. Despite naming them, my question had nothing to do with U-Haul specifically, so coordinated action isn’t particularly relevant unless you are advocating everyone buy their own moving truck.

      This is all just plea bargaining to claim complacency instead of complicity.

      I’ll redouble my efforts.

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        I don’t see how you think it’s complicity. Has there been any evidence of U-Haul giving trucks en masse to ICE for the purpose of transporting abducted people?

        If you are of the belief that U-Haul is complicit, then you should have no trouble answering the question. How does any rental service prevent their vehicles from being used for anything other than the advertised purpose?

        Surely we won’t be putting that responsibility on the minimum wage employee working the front desk.

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          I don’t see how you think it’s complicity. Has there been any evidence of U-Haul giving trucks en masse to ICE for the purpose of transporting abducted people? If you are of the belief that U-Haul is complicit, then you should have no trouble answering the question. How does any rental service prevent their vehicles from being used for anything other than the advertised purpose? Surely we won’t be putting that responsibility on the minimum wage employee working the front desk.

          We are simply expressing differences in our priorities and values.

          You are putting in extra work here to ensure that the good name of U-Haul remains unsullied.

          I am putting in words to discourage businesses from participating in a Holocaust.

          But please, go on and tell me more about the plight of U-Haul.

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            I’ve expressly stated the issue isn’t really about U-Haul. The reason U-Haul specifically is being named here is because that’s the company named in the article. If it was Penske, even your top level comment would say Penske and not U-Haul.

            If someone used a charitable organization’s logo-emblazoned lanyard to hang a dog from a tree, do you think it to be the fault of the nonprofit? There are no checks or balances to prevent that level of misuse. This has been my entire point that you continue to ignore in a misguided attempt to paint me as a corporate apologist.

            It’s understandable that my initial comment may have been misinterpreted, but doubling down on this tunnel-vision viewpoint isn’t.

            From what you’ve said, we do in fact share priorities and values. The bottom rungs of the hierarchy earning a pittance compared to the top should be criminal. Where we differ is my refusal to call any group bad because of something wholly out of their control. Nuance and context is important. So far you haven’t attempted to explain how any rental company can stop fascists from using their equipment after it leaves the lot.

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              So far you haven’t attempted to explain how any rental company can stop fascists from using their equipment after it leaves the lot.

              Ans so far, you’ve said sweet fuck all about the children that were hauled off in U-Haul equipment.

              But since you lack any sort of vision, l will tell you how I would handle ICE ratfucks using my equipment to commit crimes against humanity. And I would be prepared, and I would be aware of the possibility of ICE possibly trying to use my shit, based on precedence set by the Proud Boys:

              Attention Citizens of the United States of America: U-Haul stands in direct opposition to ICE attacks on the American way of life. If you witness any U-Haul equipment in use by ICE, please call us at 555-5555, and we will remotely disable the vehicles.

              When the regime falls, and everything is moving really fast, do everyone a favor, and get the fuck out of the way.