And many physical health problems are also a direct result of capitalism
It might be because the moon is falling in 3 days.
Which… I guess is due to capitalism (Happy Mask Salesman peddling Majora’s Mask) or maybe the male loneliness epidemic (Skull Kid has no friends).
The investors that run all the shops in Hyrule have determined that they can use the male loneliness epidemic to redirect mens anger towards women, and then towards other minorities, so that they don’t start getting angry at the capitalists.
They don’t know about the dark god of Capital that slumbers inside the moon.
*Technofeudalism
if it’s only “lately” then it can’t be capitalism
I didn’t think I’d have to say this, but the conditions in which we exist are created by the system under which we exist. As Kamala said, you didn’t just fall out of a coconut tree.
It also wasn’t just smooth sailing up to this point; capitalism suffers crises like these on a regular basis. For example, the 15 recessions just in the years between great depression (1929) and the COVID-19 pandemic (2020).
A system is designed to do what it does. If it doesn’t do what the designers intended, it gets changed. Otherwise, it stays the same. You would think if these results were unintended, the system would have been changed by now.
Surely the economic wellbeing of your average citizen can’t get worse over time and therefore be a “lately” thing. It’s not like food, housing, and healthcare are getting more expensive.
Regardless of whether we think capitalism is good or not, it’s gone into overdrive since the fall of the Soviet Union. And whether or not we recognize this as capitalism, it’s been failing hard since the bailouts started.
The economy we live in today is neither democratic nor competitive.
Soon each country will have dictators and a nobility
let’s work on making sure the only dictator is the working class ✊🏾
as for nobility, well, nobility doesn’t mean much if working class doesn’t lend it any political or economic power.
the moon probably perceives “lately” differently from humans since it is billions of years old
geologically lately.
We’ll regulated capitalism is unironically the greatest human innovation. I’m glad the world is not as brain dead as Lemmy on this.
no the greatest human invention is the dvd rewinder
Which is a product of capitalist innovation
Yeah but it cant exist well regulated because of how it is. Then again humans suck so all systems have downsides.
Capitalism is not a static system. It’s incredible power comes from the competition between different forces vying to get an advantage over the others. Workers, the government, businesses, investors are all competing to get what’s best for them. Regulations have to be fought for and protected by every generation. So things like education and participating in civic responsibilities are crucial. It’s similar to democracy, keeping capitalism well regulated is like keeping a democratic society free, it’s something that has to always be actively sought after. That’s how it’s meant to work.
Probably fertilizer tbh, but capitalism always likes to steal the glory from technological progress, and claims to be freedom although nearly everyone is poor and forced to work for slave wages. Then capitalists point to the most authoritarian countries in history and say, see socialism sucks. Like no bro, Russia sucks, Russia has been a shit hole with every form of government they had, because they are authoritarians.
Funny how capitalists always ignore the good socialist societies that are highly regulated free markets with strong workers and consumer protection laws and fairly high taxes and strong welfare states, but they ignore all the terrible capitalist societies all over the world. It’s a miracle that a capitalist economy isn’t a miserable shit hole, but that requires self awareness and actually researching and educating yourself, not listening to some dick in a 15,000 dollar suit, from a corporate funded think tank thats only job is to push capitalist propaganda, or distract people from realizing socialism is better.
Probably fertilizer tbh, but capitalism always likes to steal the glory from technological progress
What are you even on about? Modern synthetic fertilizer, which is what’s responsible for the dramatic increase in food production, is quite literally a product of capitalist innovation in 19th and 20th century Western Europe and North America. Just about every single major development was researched, developed, replicated, applied, and mass produced in capitalist societies.
claims to be freedom although nearly everyone is poor and forced to work for slave wages.
This is nonsensical ideological drivel. Reality is actually quite different. Capitalism has brought up the global standards of living to such a degree that extreme poverty is now almost eliminated. We went from having around 90% of the global population living in extreme poverty just 200 years ago to around 10% now. That is a massive shift. What caused it? Capitalism. Want examples? Look at what happened in China after they adopted capitalism in the late 1970s and early 1980s or Western Europe after WWII or Japan after WWII or South Korea after the Korean war or Singapore and Hong Kong post British control. Just about every country that has adopted capitalism has seen their standard of living improve.
Then capitalists point to the most authoritarian countries in history and say, see socialism sucks.
Can you point to any Marxist state that did not end up being authoritarian? Because history seems to show there’s a pretty strong correlation between the two.
Funny how capitalists always ignore the good socialist societies that are highly regulated free markets with strong workers and consumer protection laws and fairly high taxes and strong welfare states
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about because socialist societies, by definition, do NOT have free markets whatsoever, they don’t have taxes, they don’t consumer protection laws, and they don’t welfare programs. These are exclusively capitalist concepts. Socialism is, again, by definition, a centrally planned economy where the “public” (read: government) own all the means of production. Since they control all the resources, revenue, and production, they don’t need to tax, provide protection laws, have free markets, or provide welfare programs… they just directly allocate the resources. If you think Norway or Denmark are socialist then you’re not qualified enough for this discussion, because these are capitalist societies through and through.
they ignore all the terrible capitalist societies all over the world.
Nobody is ignoring bad societies, but what we’re looking at here is trends among economic systems, and the data is crystal clear that capitalist societies fair far better than their socialist counterparts. This implies that one system is better than the other, and it is based on the results.
It’s a miracle that a capitalist economy isn’t a miserable shit hole
but that requires self awareness and actually researching and educating yourself, not listening to some dick in a 15,000 dollar suit, from a corporate funded think tank thats only job is to push capitalist propaganda, or distract people from realizing socialism is better.
This is just arrogance that comes from ignorance, which is the worst kind of all. You think way too highly of yourself. Do you honestly think you know better than the tens of thousands of economists all over the world who specialize in this field? Do you think you’re bullshit research of lazily scrolling through propaganda on Lemmy or Youtube is more valid than the field of economics vast amounts wisdom, research, and knowledge that been accumulating for decades, if not centuries? Get real. Just because you listen to some sleazebag propagandist and shills who push the shitty ideology of socialism, doesn’t mean you can project that on to everybody else who doesn’t buy into the same nonsense you bought into.
Lol you been drinking that coolaid. Reganomics isn’t the same thing as economics. Capitalists are the biggest cultists they are. They always try to steal not only workers labor, but also progress itself.
You don’t even have to think, all you have to do is compare socialist societies to capitalist societies today in the world. Western Europe has a far better society, free markets, it’s actually easier to open a business in most of their countries than it is in America, and their workers are treated like paper towels. Even China or something which people will try to point to which is a paeudocommunist society, manages to feed, provide healthcare, and house nearly everyone. They actually brought billions of people out of poverty in a century. Not capitalism. In America over half the population is probably in poverty at this point since the economy is so terrible and inefficient and workers don’t want to work 10-14 hours for two decent meals a day. (Not hotdogs in case you are going to go there) that’s not a decent meal.
Yes poverty has been mostly eliminated by technology. Capitalists have honestly tried to stop this as much as possible because they are almost all Nazis and they despise anyone who has less wealth than their parents gave them. If too many people came out of poverty capitalism wouldn’t work because it’s too inefficient and greedy and all the wealth gets wasted on luxury for the rich which also causes massive inefficiencies. Go look at any number of European socialist countries in Europe that have popular socialist parties in their democracy, and see how much better they are then shit American corporate feudalism. If you are going to use the USSR as your example then please explain why Russia was always a shithole before, during, and after supposed communism, if communism can even be authoritarian, and go literally against everything in the communist manifesto. Why didn’t Russia magically become such a better place when they adopted capitalism? Can you explain that. Of course not because you just parrot nonsense from rich propgandists who hate the American people and Americans way, on mainstream media who want to keep you working in those factories while they sit on their asses all day on their boats.
Good thing nobody is talking about Reganomics
The greatest human invention murdered hundreds of millions through colonialism?
Colonialism is not a product of capitalism or vice versa. If anything, capitalist principles are what led to the end of colonialism after WWII. Free trade and global integration is what ended the era of colonialism. This of course not mentioning that Marxist countries like the Soviet Union had colonies.
It’s very convenient that the explanation for a complex series of problems is reducible to just ‘capitalism’. Isn’t it like saying WWI only started because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand?
You sound like someone who’s on the winning side of capitalism and you can’t comprehend how capitalism is making most people suffer.
He doesn’t have to be on the winning side as long as the capitalists (that own all the news media) can convince him that he is.
It feels really gaslighting/dismissive to read things like this. Why is it that people who talk about concepts like capitalism assume a bunch of information about you based on a complete lack of information? Is the idea the only reason I’m not anti capitalist must either be because a) I’m rich (extremely far from the truth), or b) I’m especially susceptible to propaganda? (Which would be weird… Otherwise why would I be using Lemmy in the first place when perhaps capitalism instead suggests I should be using Reddit).
My opinion: It kind of sucks to reduce people down like this lol. Am I insane for thinking this
And you sound like someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly about people and you can’t comprehend someone not having a reductionist take on generalised human suffering.
I don’t think anyone here is denying people suffer from capitalism, i think they’re just saying capitalism is a factor rather than the only cause, similar to how the Archduke’s assassination was a factor among many in starting WW1.
This is Lemmy, where if you even hint at saying “It’s not just Capitalism”, you’ll be downvoted into oblivion.
Don’t you know how happy everyone has always been under communist and socialist governments? Not a single sad soul to be seen under those establishments! /s
Its literally the plot of the Good Place, there is no ethical and moral consumption under capitalism. We need a well regulated economy if we want the middle class to grow again, still not ethical but it would put food in my stomach.
I’m glad we agree capitalism has problems
Alright, here’s your last question. What was the cause of the Civil War?
Actually, there were numerous causes. Aside from the obvious schism between abolitionists and anti-abolitionists, economic factors, both domestic and international-
Hey, hey!
Yeah?
Just say slavery.
Slavery it is, sir.
Ah yes, “the” civil war.
The civil war has a clearly dominant causal factor that historians overwhelmingly agree upon. Modern socio economic issues don’t have that same level of single cause consensus. That’s why boiling everything down to ‘capitalism’ is overly reductive
This is how consensus starts
At least you’re honest about pushing a narrative rather than engaging with evidence
? In 200 years most of the other details you’re imagining will be considered irrelevant
So the evidence doesn’t exist yet, but you’ve decided the conclusion anyway. That’s exactly the problem I’m pointing out. This is what MAGA does btw
It does, there’s just not a consensus yet.
Gee I wonder if spending days in the weeds with this guy will go anywhere. Oops that’s deflecting!
What’s your opinion on NATO?
The main reason why Europe didn’t get invaded
Yeah, if it weren’t for NATO making EU subservient to the US, it would have been invaded by them.
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They appear to be focused on capitalist Russia
I don’t like to make assumptions, I wait for them to answer so I can judge their sincerity.
it looks kinda like you’re calling them a tankie
No, questions don’t call things.
Do you think you’re an intellectually dishonest person?
Does me seperating tankies from the rest of us upset you? Are you trying to make it easy for authoritarians to blend in?
Whats your opinion on NATO?
But of course you’re “just asking questions” and not accusing me of any of that.
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Loaded question. Your accusation was prompted by their criticism of capitalism, not because there was any evidence to suggest they’re a tankie.
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No, I just don’t like baseless accusations from the guy who concern trolls for capitalism in every thread.
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It’s defending the world from Russian aggression, despite both sides being capitalist. Not everyone who is upset by intellectual dishonesty is a tankie.
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americans need to learn to replace capitalism with america
stop externalising your inputs
The problem is capitalism
Are you in the US? You may want to try it before you claim it’s your problem. You finished killing yours at the end of the 80s.
I’m sure that sounded clever in your head but it didn’t make sense to any one but you.
wat
Do you think applying capital into productive industries is the most relevant way to get rich in the US today?
Because it looks really clear that it’s access to powerful people.
Why not both?
there are plenty of capitalist countries doing just fine
Literally no. You have the far right going crazy all over Europe and half of Latin America, unaffordable housing and ever-decreasing social services everywhere, and the practical entirety of Africa, India, Southeast Asia and again Latin America are doing anything but just fine
It’s already used that way by dogwhistling Tankies, except it also extends to other western world powers like the EU and UK.
