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Iran gained political ground, and America lost political ground, and has to pay $300 million on top of it. That’s pretty much the definition of losing.
MoU or not, an unstable region has been rendered even more dangerous by the unforced war of choice launched and America. The world will be coping with its repercussions for months, if not years.
Yeah, the Middle East is inherently unstable and then this totally unrelated foreign meddling happened. ::eyeroll::
I disagree, America has Not lost “it’s war” with Iran, trump is an Operative working Against the United States and successfully got Iran a better deal Against the United States and our official stance on Iran. He is a traitor that worked against the US on behalf of our enemies to their benefit.
Hey buddy, the “this is not who we are!” nonsense has always been ridiculous, but is particularly insane after Trump was elected, for the second time, with the popular vote.
The fact that you think your enemies are external is part of what makes America so able to be evil.
Nice copping for the shitty american empire
Both can be true. The US is a shitty empire that allowed a foreign asset to take the helm and sabotage it.
We got a black eye and we deserved it. Someone should bloody our nose, too, to make sure we got the message. Fucking stupid.
usa could have won the war but trump had a date with a tween at a very crucial juncture in the negotiations and missed a “war winning” opportunity. /s
Great, now that that’s done… Can we get back to the TRUMP-EPSTEIN FILES ™ ?
No, we didn’t lose.
We surrendered.
And you know what? Sure. That’s the right move. We shouldn’t have fucking invaded them to begin with.
Fucking Trump. What a goddamn moronic dumbass he is.
What a goddamn
moronic dumbass he isprolific executor and efficient implementer of putin’s and xi’s blackmail demands on himIt can’t be America, must be evil China who (checks notes) hasn’t had a war since the 1970s.
Pretty sure you have to have shame to be blackmailed. We all know what trump did, he doesn’t give a shit.
Bro, there is video and picture evidence this guy joyously ritualistically torturing, raping, and killing children and babies.
In case you you haven’t had your soul ripped out yet, go on a little quest to find out what “u9 red pizza party” means in the Epstein files.
He’s not running away from shame. He’s running away from the death penalty.
Are you seriously doing pizzagate but blue?
Ok yes but… isn’t surrendering claiming you lost?
Can’t lose a war if you never call it a war.
Ask the Mimbari
What a dumb loser
Dumb loser that was voted in TWICE. That says more about the people also
He may be a dumb loser but don’t forget he’s also in the Epstein files.
What a dumb ass in Epstein files loser
That’s the Trump-Epstein Files™.
Don’t forget the Trump files, that Epstein collected on him for the Mossad to force them into war together with Israel if needed, like with Iran for example, and which Epstein also sold pieces of to Putin.
Easy there Captain Conspiracy.
Mate, it’s literally documented that Epstein was gaining blackmail material on his guests because he was being paid by the Mossad. Next to that the leaks from the Kremlin said Putin has blackmail material on Trump as well, which are Epstein file related things.
Chemtrails, flat earth, fake moonlanding, lizard people etc are all bullshit conspiracies. Epstein working for the Mossad is just proven fact, as well as him gaining blackmail evidence on his guests including diaper Donny.
The idea Israel is using this blackmail material in these times where the Epstein files keep on being a bugger to Trump, to pull the US into a war with Iran, is indeed a conspiracy. But it’s one that actually has a high probability of being factual true.
THE BIGGEST, BESTEST, MOST WONDERFUL MENTIONS I THE EPSTEIN FILES. THE LIKES NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN! EVERYONE IS SAYING SO!
FIFA wants to give the a new prise they just made for me, the world piece (of shit) price for the most honorably mentions in the Epstein files. It even comes with a medal.
Americans, especially the Government, all have a collective delusion that the United States place in the world is just the way it was right after WW2 and nothing will ever change it. Over the next decade or so, reality will continue setting in…
Emphasis on the government… and those uneducated southerners who think that a pedophile makes a better president than a woman
Operation Epic Failure. The primary shows was in the southern Lebanon and the West Bank, while the MAGA led fiasco was the side show.
The problem now is that Mr Trump has endowed Iran with a far more useful option than any nuclear device: the effective weaponisation of the Strait of Hormuz. This is a weapon of mass economic destruction of unique power. It was given satisfactory proof of use during the conflict, when not even US armed forces and a naval counter-blockade could prevent an enfeebled Tehran from taking the world economy hostage.
Nukes are defensive, this seems to work for both defence and offence
Meh. States in the Arabian peninsula just need to enlarge the already existing pipelines that run north to Turkey, the Mediterranean, and the Caucuses and south to the Arabian Sea. Bypass the straight entirely. Existing pipelines demonstrate that someone has already had this idea long ago, but for whatever reason (logical efficiency…) existing infrastructure is sea based and passes through the straight. This is very easily corrected, and the states involved have the cash to do it, and demand for their product exists- strongly. Iran has played their very weak hand very well- for now. This round, they win. Next round, maybe not so likely. The Sunni states on the Arabian peninsula have no love for the Shia or for Iran. It’ll take a few years to reconfigure, but the days of Iran’s advantage here are numbered and finite.
It only works when the US navy doesn’t engage the way it can. Trump lost there because he pulled out the navy but left it limp, just sitting on the front yard. If it went hard and actually did something substantial, the picture would have been very different.
How could the navy had gone harder? Should they move closer so air refueling is not necessary? This would probably get them hit.
Trump ran into the same problem Dubya and his daddy did in Iraq & Afghanistan- sure we can topple the government and defeat their military. That’s easy-peasy. But after we do that, who’s gonna run the country? In all cases, the answer is “nobody who is acceptable to the US”, so the US ends up having to step in and run the place for a time so that it doesn’t immediately devolve into “new boss, same old bullshit”. Leave a political vacuum in that part of the world and it gets filled by Al Quaida, ISIS, Taliban, or other radical groups that battle it out among themselves for decades, creating another Lebanon. Or Iraq. Or Afghanistan.
The government has been trying this weird half-assed interventionism since actual interventionism is such a hard sell post-Iraq and Afghanistan. Some bombing here, an attempt to arm rebel groups there… and if it fails, that’s for the locals to clean up. I’d argue this goes back to Obama and Trump continued it, but in a room temp IQ way that only Trump can manage.
well said.
If by different you mean the loss of american war ships and the same result, sure.
Not saying those are not capable ships, just that that is not the environment they where made to operate in. A nightmare theater for any navy, let alone one with almost no small escort ships (an issue they are well aware of). To make it worse there is nothing for them to do, nothing to really fight there, just risk, mines, minisubs, and land based death. I can see an destroyer in that strait intercepting missiles and drones all day, but to what end? No civilian tanker was going to join them.
It sounds like cope but… yeah pretty much this. Trump was too scared of dead soldiers, a sunk boat or downed planes to allow any commitment of assets in a way that would have accomplished any of his goals, and as a result the US military was stuck with strategies proved useless by HERMANN FUCKING GORING. It was such a fucking ridiculous loss of life because seventy years of military history have shown that it could never have accomplished anything and was entirely just trump being a pissbaby, but this time with a couple thousand dead people as a backdrop.
FUCK this fucking administration.
I’m happy with this result. I was rooting against America for the whole conflict.
I am rooting against America in general.
America has a big ego and is subservient to Israel. It needs to be humbled so it can stop flexing its nuts and start taking care of its own people.
I say this as one of those people in America watching America punish transwomen instead of combating food insecurity…
Not a war. Lol
I’m happy we lost but sad that I will be paying for reparations with my tax dollars.
The US has been on the losing side of every armed conflict it’s been involved with for the past 80 years.
Its current “leadership” believes that streak is at least twice that.
Didn’t America win the war with Iraq though? I could be wrong since I’m not super informed on the war in Iraq, but we militarily defeated Saddam Hasan. Other than that though, if you count both sides in the Korean War as losers, then you’re right
They won the opening act, and the operation was one of the best ever pulled off but they lost the overall conflict when they had to abandon Iraq. Although Gulf War 1 and 2 are studied as examples of great execution of a military strike campaign. The issue is that unlike the Gulf Wars where the us did strikes then claimed the win (with some oil set on fire), in 2003 they did the strikes, then stuck around. The us never wins in a conflict where they have to hold conquered ground, they are really bad with it. I can’t think of a time they have succeeded, WW1 and 2 they did not have to hold territory alone, and more or less liberated and joint occupied places, in Korea they fucked up and got China involved leading to a never ending conflict that is still technically going, they got their ass kicked out of Vietnam, Bay of pigs was a failure before it really got anywhere, and then there is Afghanistan a total mess.
The wild part to me is that a lot of these conflicts are listed as US wins, or inconclusive when by any real measure they where all massive fuck ups. This last one with Iran did not even get to a point where the US was even getting to the point they where threatened Iran’s government, let alone an occupation. Like it was not even possible for the states to get to the point of prior wars before, no real way to invade and not just have massive losses, no real way to hurt Iran outside of war crimes (they did those too but to little effect on Iran’s ability to rule). This “war” I think was more impactful as the end of the us empire’s mythos, they just showed the world they have very real limits and are no longer the super power they have claimed to be.
