Fuck this thread OMG
I’m new here but It’s nice to just ban users that are clearly bigoted. I have lost all need to sway anyone ready to fight over basic human rights. in fact human rights are not included in their vocab. I know this effort might be in vain but maybe I’ll see less hate and troll bait.
lotta morons in this thread posting vile shit.
Celebrating torture makes you worthy of receiving it. Bloody animals, challenge yourself and be better humans.
however a state should never be the one to dish it out. no state should.
So, Pike deserves torture, and it is good that she got it, but we should just resign ourselves to the fact that her torture was necessary and not celebrate it ourselves, only make sure it is carried out.
That’s a fine line, but I can appreciate the difference. What if her witnessing the public’s celebration is part of the torture she needs? Should we sacrifice our own morality to do so?
Edit: y’all are wild. Pike celebrated torture, but doesn’t deserve torture, but the people who celebrate Pike’s torture deserve torture? That’s fucked up. Y’all backwards
You seem to be pretty offended by an obviously hyperbolic statement.
Sorry about your down arrows or whatever
Why?
I don’t know why. Maybe because you cannot detect or interpret hyperbolic rhetoric?
Is English a second or third language for you?
You have a weird view of things, calling that post obviously hyperbolic rhetoric, then saying I seem offended.
Are you from a weak and quiet culture?
Monsters should be treated like monsters’ full stop!! No mercy for the wicked!! Evil should be treated with evil. They don’t deserve anything better!!
Allowing government to torture or execute people is always a bad idea. Always.
And it’ll always lead to abuse. 100% of the time.
This whole shit is just wild. The state shouldn’t be murdering people. This chick brought home a chunk from the skull of the girl she killed. And now the state is fucking up so hard you can’t help but feel bad for her because we as empathetic people dont like suffering. Fucken rollercoaster.
She is being kept largely in solitary confinement, she said, “away from other people and the human connections that mean so much to me”.
Such isolation was its own form of pain, she said, given that she spent the first 28 years on death row in solitary confinement.
She was 18 at the time of the murder. Most people are hardly the same person that they were that much of their life ago.
She was neglected by alcoholic parents,[12] and her attorneys said she was exposed to alcohol in the womb.[13] She was raped as a toddler and again at ages 11 and 17.[14][15] She attempted suicide at the age of 12 and in 1991 she was sent to a Juvenile Evaluation Center in Swannanoa, North Carolina
Yikes.
There’s a solid argument that solitary confinement alone is torture. Twenty-eight years of it.
There is a man in Japan who was on Japanese death row for like 60 years. If you’re not aware, on Japanese death row, you’re in near complete isolation. This guy was in solitary for around six decades. AND HE WAS INNOCENT
Edit: also, Japanese death row doesn’t work the same as American and others’ death rows. They don’t tell Japanese death row inmates when they’ll be executed until less than an hour before they are to be executed. So this man spent 60 YEARS not knowing if the day he woke up is the day he died.
28 years of solitary confinement sounds needlessly cruel even for someone convicted of a terrible crime, however, it was arguably justified by her actions in prison. She tried to kill another inmate, for which she was convicted, and later, she tried to escape.
Trying to escape your captors is normal response.
It’s also a normal response for the authorities to try to keep the murderer in prison, even if that means harsher conditions.
I have issues with the prison system in the USA. I think far too many people are imprisoned, and the system fails to rehabilitate people it could and should. That said, I do not want Christa Pike to escape, or be released into society.
She beat a girl to death and kept a chunk of her skull as a trophy, then later tried to strangle another prisoner. She showed herself to be an extreme danger to others and should be confined for the rest of her life, or until there is clear and convincing evidence that she is no longer dangerous.
This is a perfectly fine argument in a world where she hasn’t been exposed to torture. Her constitutional rights were so egregiously violated she deserves her sentence to be commuted.
If you have a problem with that, blame the people who tortured her on behalf of the state, not her.
One of the goals of imprisonment is to punish. I’m willing to agree that she has been punished enough.
Another goal is to protect society from people who have demonstrated an ability and willingness to harm others. I’d be entirely fine with moving Pike to a more comfortable prison or mental institution.
“Deserve” doesn’t enter into the conversation when someone is an obviously violent and dangerous person with no remorse. Repeal the death penalty, sure… But release the prisoner? No.
I never understood why the death penalty needed so much time to be administered. How does this shit not take a week to do? 28 years… torture and utter waste of money.
Those darn appeals and trying to make sure someone is ACTUALY guilty before murdering them!
I mean I kinda agree with them. If you need decades to fully prove someone was guilty of something worth executing them for then you shouldn’t be executing them at all.
Imagine knowing you’re going to be killed by the state but never knowing when or how. I’d rather just take a bullet in the court room
She really never stood a chance to assimilate into the community.
Most people dont crack other’s skulls in and keep the pieces either
Its very unamerican, but its possible to acknowledge that someone has done something awful, is an awful person, and deserves to die, while simultaneously acknowledging that how we treat the worst among us shapes our humanity and our society.
The penal system should be about minimising harm to the public, and rehabilitating the perp to whatever extent possible.
Its fine to conclude that someone is irredeemable, but they’re still entitled to a lifetime of support to be their best self even if that’s in prison.
American culture is heavily focused on tit for tat transactions. Did bad murder = gets dead. She might deserve death but we are all lessened by giving it to her.
This is probably the only thing needing to be said in all honesty.
if you punish mental illness, then society itself is sick.
In the US. Can confirm society itself is very sick.
What do you do when mental illness apparently makes you premeditate a murder, carve religious symbols into someone’s flesh, and smash their head like an ape getting at a coconut? You can’t make that right. They grouped up, got all edgey with their satanism, and murdered someone. Your dark past does not give you an excuse to rob others’ futures no matter your mental condition.
No one said it should be an excuse. And a possible solution in her case might have been a forced therapy; so she would also be locked away, just not in prison but a mental institution. If that’s better or worse depends on the institution. But at least the goal would be to right her mind and not punish her if there is no meaningful corrective result.
I’m not of the opinion that all minds can be “corrected”. This case was an especially nasty one, involving multiple people all targeting one person and luring her out away from everyone and mutilated her. The stain of malice cannot be denied here. Seems like everyone has skin in the game for mental illness but no one gives a shit about the hatred and loss of life.
Right, and presumably you’re an expert with at least one relevant PhD or other qualifications and experience who is able to determine what minds can and can not be “corrected”. You must also be an expert of the highest order to be capable of making that determination without speaking to her, or being so much as in the same room as her.
Locked up in a mental institution is also punishment. It’s not like this is a large chillout area with fun games.
No idea how it is in the US, but in Germany this is an even worse punishment, because they don’t get a normal sentence. If they get locked up in jail, there is a time attached depending on the severity of the crime. But mental institution is basically “until deemed fit for society”. So if the staff there wants to fuck you up (or if you are actually a lost cause), they will simply never deem you fit for release and you stay there until eternity, pumped with drugs. And all of this without another judge looking into the case ever again (unless you happen to have very very good support from outside, but even then the judge will typically ask experts — so the doctors — who will just explain why you have to stay locked up).
got all edgey with their satanism
it’s amazing when you can pinpoint Americans.
Factually not what happened, but please enlighten me with your elevated world view.
There has never been a Satanic ritual related death in US history.
There have been some troubled people that wanted to scare the Christians that were abusing them. And given the number of false convictions around the early and mid 1990s because of ‘satanism,’ anyone that brings it up just looks stupid. Purely, ridiculously stupid.
There is no evidence it was premeditated, and she didn’t carve religious symbols into anyone. There was a 1 symbol carved into the person, and it wasn’t by her. That person admitted to doing so in court.
Please familiarize yourself with the case before commenting:
https://law.justia.com/cases/tennessee/supreme-court/1998/pike.htmlYeah no I read that. I would no longer find her guilty of premeditated murder and as I stated before she did NOT as confirmed by the person who carved said pentagram in her chest stated to police, carve any religious symbols into someone. Not only do I think she served her sentence now I think the state is guilty of torture and you should be legally eligible to be held liable for slander. “Familiarize yourself with the case”. Hopefully other people’s opinions teach you that your opinion isn’t absolute.
you’re not an expert. just some random idiot.
Okay Mr expert then, what the fuck is up? What do we do?
Fix the society and the material conditions that allowed this to happen, and work to undo the harm that the failures of society caused that caused this to happen. This crime was completely preventable, and this person, given her personality this late in life after a lifetime of unimaginable and uninterrupted torture since the moment she was born, is obviously someone that would be a good person to have in society.
If you define any desire to kill as mental illness…
well good luck with your utopia of happy sociopaths pretending to be mentally ill and getting re-released to murder again.
She was also repeatedly raped as a child. Sometimes you need to understand what lead a person to their crimes. If you can’t see past the reality of the perpetrator, and only care about obsessing over the most brutal parts of the crime instead of Pike’s lifetime of suffering, then your opinion isn’t related to justice, just revenge.
Revenge was most likely the motive for her trying to kill (only failed due to lack of time) the other death row inmate.
Committing premeditated revenge murder for making rude comments and possibly other actions is not simply “OK” because you had a rough time in the past. Other victims don’t get to just murder everyone they don’t like because they had a bad time. Hell, most rapists were probably raped them selves, not an excuse, considering other victims aren’t out there doing it.
Again, having a horrid past does not excuse her actions. The murder still took place and the stated reasoning was jealousy.
Nothing excuses her crimes, but being tortured should absolutely excuse her conviction.
I’m sure her victim would feel great about that, or you know, nothing at all because she smashed her head in with a piece of asphalt.
This doesn’t matter. You are just too emotionally fixated on the details of the crime to have a good faith conversation about the constitutional implications of state sanctioned torture.
Torture is explicitly forbidden by the Constitution. You cannot use it to punish some, and if you do, that person deserves restitution, prior crimes notwithstanding.
We are not talking about most people though.
You literally said “most people change”. So yes, you indeed did bring most people into the conversation. Everyone here screams mental illness, but nobody wants to talk about the brutality of carving symbols into flesh and cracking bone with primitive tools.
I literally never talked to you before in my life.
What is there to talk about? Its brutal and fucked up. What else is there to say?
“Most people” does not matter when we talk about a person that is clearly not like most people. In their upbringing and in their actions.
The person I replied to did, I didnt see it wasnt you, but that means you didnt even read the whole thread just my comment and came in here with a shred of context. Good job.
Cry me a river.
At 18 I probably would’ve done some equally fucked up shit. Murdering people for what they did before their brains finished developing is not only a waste of money but it gives the government absolute control over who lives and dies when I don’t even trust the government to fill potholes correctly.
No you wouldnt because you didn’t. But yeah the government should never be allowed to murder people because thats fucked.
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Not to mention the conditions leading up to this could have been partially the fault of the state as well. Not saying people don’t have accountability for their own actions, but in the United States our mental health care is abysmal. So realistically, it’s a failure of the state coming and going. Yet all these groups are ready and willing to worship the state.
The story we have been told has a group of young adults going into the woods to smoke weed together. And then her murdering someone in a violent manner (stabbing over and over)… which very well could have been planned. Modern studies are starting to show that marijuana is tied to people having psychotic breaks in people with bipolar disorders. Which she was diagnosed as bipolar… So it could be completely unrelated… but this situation would be even more horrible if someday we find out she did infact have a psychotic break and none of it had been planned.
And now the state is fucking up so hard you can’t help but feel bad for her
I definitely don’t feel bad for her. What she just experienced wasn’t nearly as awful as what she made her victim experience. Oh, and she’s still alive, unlike her victim.
I feel bad that a Human is being tortured. Its not necessary and doesnt fix anything.
Would you say this about any criminal, regardless of the offense?
I’m not trying to argue anything. It’s a subject I’ve been thinking about lately and have debated with myself over the extent of this.
Its a complicated subject for me especially since I am just a nerd and not a law expert. Unfortunately for her the entire nation has been intimately inundated with her case, which is probably why I feel I can give my opinion. All said, I think I would, I would like to say I would. Torture is not anything that accomplishes something, its pure sadism.
What she and her cohorts did sickens me to the bone, as a many great things today do. But she still shouldn’t be tortured. It fixes nothing and warps the minds of its perpetrators. It is the hammer that turns all humans into nails, just not good.
I agree that it isn’t necessary and I think we should use methods far more instant and guaranteed for the death penalty. Still doesn’t make me feel bad for her though.
Dark future, indeed. The State should never have the right to murder anybody. The only person who should be able to decide if your life ends early is you.
Two added notes:
- That piece of skull is still in the custody of the state, and they refuse to return it to the victim’s family even through multiple lawsuits, so they aren’t even doing this for the victim’s family’s “closure” or whatever the line usually is in defense or the death penalty.
- Use of sexist language to describe women, even violent criminals, is still sexism.
Its even worse than that.
The state literally mailed other parts of the victims body back to her mother --years later and unannounced and unmarked.
In don’t recall the exact parts, but it was extremely fuckn callous
Sorry about the cancer website, but it seems an in depth article and published before the recent debacle
What? The states is holding on to her skull fragment?
Is chick sexist now? What?
What was the sexist language?
Congratulations Tennessee, you made something worse than death. I hope you’re happy.
I think “worse than death” is their motto on the license plates in Tennessee.
A lot of pro torture ghouls in the comments.
They’re called Americans and it’s why the American penal system is about punishment rather than rehabilitation.
Oh and don’t forget the for profit motive of the American penal system too. How else will they maintain slavery and turn locking humans in cages into a profitable business.
Yup. Scandinavia actually rehabilitates their inmates and as a result has a very very low recidivism rate. Meanwhile in America, you go in for shoplifting and get turned into a hardened criminal who ends up murdering someone. #Freedumb
It’s hard to have sympathy for Pike, given what she’s done. But at the same time, the state is torturing her at this point, which I’m pretty sure is in violation of her constitutional rights. If she is to be sentenced to death for her crimes, then just put a fucking bullet in her and end her misery already, which is what should have been done in the first place. The lethal injection has always been a cruel, wasteful, and performative procedure and should have been abolished ages ago. It exists not for the safety of the executed, but to protect the feelings of those who have to witness the execution. Fuck that; if you believe that you have the right to end somebody’s life as a punishment for their crimes, then you should have to witness the grim reality of the sentencing you give out. There is so much margin for error with the lethal injection process that an outcome like this was bound to happen eventually - in fact, this isn’t even the first time somebody’s survived a botched injection like this.
I don’t really know where I’m going with all this. This story just has me riled up in a variety of ways lately.
The answer is to abolish the death penalty, not to expedite the process with bullets. What the hell is wrong with you?
I’m with you, but that is a slow and arduous process that has been fought for years now. In the meantime, until we as a society can wean off of killing our prisoners, we can at least be humane in the way we go about it. The lethal injection is by no means humane.
This is America. The cruelty is the point. It would be easier to get people to go for drawing and quartering people at this point. I mean she requested to be hanged and shot I think.
Death penalty should exist, maybe this method is wrong. I believe no one here would be happy if Trump would get less than death penalty if he would ever be found guilty.
Eh. I don’t really want to pay for people who torture others to death to hang around in a cage for a few more decades. Just needs to be done instantly and without room for error. And obviously only in completely open and shut cases where there is zero doubt the person committed the crime.
If cost is your concern, it’s cheaper to imprison someone than to pay for the courts and lawyers for the significantly longer legal process to execute someone, not to mention the execution itself.
Cost isn’t the real concern, vengeance is.
If cost is your concern, it’s cheaper to imprison someone than to pay for the courts
I’m aware. Which is why I also believe the process needs to be changed. If the person tortured someone to death and the evidence proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt, then the execution should be swift and sure. No appeals. No waiting years on death row. That’ll bring the cost down.
There’s no valid reason why a swift execution following a trial and verdict should cost more than feeding, clothing, and housing someone for decades.
That’s a real big if. I don’t trust states like Texas or Mississippi with that power.
George stinny was a black boy who was accused of murder of a white person in the 1800s (I think) somewhere in the Deep South. He had an all white jury, a useless fucking lawyer and pretty much had everything stacked against him. He was just 14 when he was executed. In the last few years, he was exhonorated.
Anyway, my point is I wouldn’t trust ANY state with making sure someone is ACTUALLY guilty. If there is even a slight chance of someone innocent being executed, it should be abolished. It should be anyway as no one, outside of very few exceptions, like self defence, has the right to take someone else’s life.
That’s not an argument against the death penalty in concept though - it could just as easily be taken as an argument for cheaper executions.
So expedite the process and eliminate the appeals process and make the whole thing an even bigger human rights atrocity?
The solution is to not kill people. This isn’t a hard concept for mentally healthy people without bloodlust.
You’re really good at putting words in people’s mouths. Maybe try not telling other people what they think.
You said “cheaper executions”. That only means one thing: Expediting the timeline and getting rid of appeals.
I understand that you didn’t say that explicitly, but I didn’t put words in your mouth. You called for expediting the timeline and getting rid of appeals by saying “cheaper executions”, because that’s how you cut costs on executions.
Cheaper executions = more innocent people being murdered by the state.
It’s especially bound to happen because it’s basically a medical procedure which is incompatible with being a medical professional. A medical professional would lose their license for performing this procedure, so the only way to do it is by using someone unqualified.
In comments released by her legal team on Friday, the prisoner said that there had not been a moment since she was injected with a massive dose of the sedative pentobarbital that she had not been in pain. “My body hurts. My arms hurt. My hands hurt. My throat hurts. I still struggle to speak. And the pain isn’t just physical. There is pain in my mind and in my soul,” she said.
More in article.
The 8th amendment has never once been applied correctly to any law.
if instead of trial and due process she was killed by a mob? would it have been more fair, just, and humane?
I’m not using that hypothetical to defend mob justice, but instead to show how much the justice system has to fuck up to be less humane than mob justice
This will be an unpopular opinion for sure, but I just don’t feel bad for her at all. Seriously… just- don’t fucking murder people! It’s a simple rule! Hundreds of millions of people manage this every fucking day of their lives with ease.
She lured someone into the woods carved a pentagram into her chest and smashed her skull in. NONE of this had to happen and it was her actions that were the catalyst for it all.
Careful not to become a monster yourself with that short sided understanding of events. Please try to take in more than the hour or day leading up to the event we are talking about. Also she was a damn child when this happened , nevermind adults can get broken and do these things. Point being, we can protect the rest of society from christa Pike while also learning and preventing this kind of thing. The bigger picture would involve many professionals over a lifetime and no simple answers but we all learn and grown better for it, or we just chop heads and pretend to feel better and safer.
She was not a child. She was 18. She knew exactly what she was doing. You ask that I not be a monster myself while defending a monster is ironic.
And I never said I feel better or safer. Stop making assumptions about things you don’t know.
I wonder what her victim, whom she tortured, carved a pentagram into her chest, then crushed her skull thinks about all this.
Why don’t we just use a guillotine? Properly sharpened there’s pretty little room for error. Seems like we just do the gas thing to make it easier on the people that show up to watch.
In open and shut cases where it’s beyond doubt that the suspect committed a crime like this, I fully support the death penalty. No reason to keep them around, paying for them for decades.
I bet there was a hell of a lot of pain in the mind and soul of the poor girl she murdered too, so shrug.
And that justifies torture surely?
Nah. We just need to stop doing lethal injections and use a gun or a guillotine or however many other guaranteed instant death methods humans have come up with. Lethal injection is silly. It’s just for the people that show up to watch.
What value is there in keeping people who torture others to death in cages for decades before they die naturally while we foot the bill?
For one why should the state have the power over life and death especially when mistakes are made? For another you know the death penalty cases cost more due to challenges and stuff like that, so even though “cost” shouldn’t matter even if it did your case isn’t supported.
For one why should the state have the power over life and death especially when mistakes are made?
Then who decides? Seems like you’re saying the alternative is for the state to decide to keep them locked in a cage for decades before they wither and die while we pay for it.
Note that I said I only support it when the evidence undeniably proves they committed the crime.
For another you know the death penalty cases cost more due to challenges and stuff like that,
Then maybe we should change the process. Again, I said I only support it if the evidence is immutable. So why allow any delays in a situation like that? Should be quick and inexpensive beyond the initial trial.
Make it easier for the state to execute people with large amounts of wrongful convictions everywhere. The evidence is never “immutable”.
There are very good reasons to be against the death penalty and torture in the abstract, but that doesn’t mean we have to be sympathetic to this particular monster’s suffering.
Sentence served. Let her Go Home.
Yes, let’s let the unhinged person who carves pentagrams into people’s flesh before caving their skulls in go home.
Look at the big picture,by this point she has had more done to her than she has done to others.
Im not saying let her start a Babysitter’s Club, but at least let her swap jails with Ghislaine Maxwell.
OH NO!
Anyway,
So you’re perfectly cool with Trump’s America normalizing the torture of convicted criminals?
There are very good reasons to be against the death penalty and torture in the abstract, but that doesn’t mean we have to be sympathetic to this particular monster’s suffering.
If suffering is a part of what you want from the justice system, you and I are enemies.
It isn’t part of what I want from the justice system. It’s a bad thing that she suffered, but I also don’t personally care that she suffered, because of the monstrosity of what she did.
I do note how willingly you declare yourself enemies with people though.
I’m not asking you to support Pike. I’m asking you to condemn torture and demand accountability from the government.
It’s important to know who your enemies are. Not caring about government -inflicted suffering is worth noting. I would never trust someone like you IRL.
