What Happened?

Jordan has been abusing his position as a moderator and, likely, as a community team member for months. Plenty of people have made posts about it. I made one myself which detailed a bunch of the things that he did.. However, do note that this is a reupload of the text of that post. To look at the comments, you’d have to click this link. All my comments and the post itself are deleted. Why? Explained at the bottom. Two admins from Lemmy.world replied to that post and detailed that they both did not want Jordan as the face of Lemmy.world as well as saying two things

  1. They had been in talks for days prior to my post about Jordans behavior

  2. That they had warned Jordan in the past about one particular behavior involving misinformation about a user and Canadian political terms.

In that post, Jordan came to his own defense. During that, he stipulated that he did nothing wrong with the misinformation situation. In doing so he demonstrated either that the admins never did warn him or that he did not internalize/care about the warning and rejected it out of hand. He was doubling down on the same behavior and justifying it.

In the same post, MrKaplan (one of the LW Admins) said that they were in talks about Jordan but nothing was said publicly. After about a week, I left and moved over to dbzero while leaving my LW account up to direct towards dbzer0. I made a goodbye to LW post as well as updating the YPTB post.

Not long after I made that, a post was made to the Lemmy.world announcements community saying that the admins were aware of Jordans behavior and were discussing it as well as giving some truly handwavy, handwringy justifications that made little to no sense as to why they couldn’t remove Jordan.

The Update

Last night, an update was applied to that LW Announcement post. They had changed the listing of mods so that Jordan was no longer the top mod of any community and gave him a warning. A warning. We already had public demonstrations that he did not heed those warnings and was actively doubling down, saying he was correct. They did a thing they were aware he would ignore. That is equivalent to inaction. The bullet went through the ghost when you shot at it? Well, clearly time to shoot a second time!

To make things worse, when they changed who was top mod on the communities, they didn’t warn them. Didn’t warn one of them at least. @JonsJava@lemmy.world. Jons commented saying that he wasn’t notified of this decision and the only warning he was given was days prior about the fact that as top mod he could remove Jordan if he wanted to. So to insulate themselves from having to make an actual decision, the admins instead shifted the order of the modteam and forced two users to become complicit in the situation in ways they weren’t. While Jons was head mod of Jordan over on /c/News, he wasn’t on another community. It seems like Jons was also staying out of the Jordan situation specifically to let the Admins make a decision which they punted back into his court.

This doesn’t even make sense to me. On one hand they’re doing something by taking him off of the modlist as top mod so clearly they’re willing to do something. But on the other hand they’re not willing to do a single thing of consequence. They claim that they’re handcuffed by rules that they created yet their own listed rules openly demonstrate that Jordan can be removed. They have the head of lemmy.world saying that he doesn’t want Jordan to be the face of the instance yet they’re not exactly doing much about it.

I deleted my lemmy.world account last night and all associated posts. This weird behavior of protecting Jordan and ignoring behavior that goes against what they explicitly say and then throwing other moderators under the bus is not exactly a great look. One I want exactly zero part in.

You can sit there and say I wanna play investigative reporter or that I’m an attention whore or whatever else. I don’t really care. I’ve been called worse by better people. But people keep pointing out the fact that I’m kinda recognizable on lemmy and I just got zero interest in backing the Lemmy equivalent of Reddit when I left reddit partially due to this wishy washy horseshit.

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      Generally, we give people the benefit of the doubt unless we’ve seen them to be malicious.

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      I had concluded they were trying to run things professionally and balanced, some of their…“quirky”…decisions I could overlook as growing pains and just problems that come from running something so large.

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        I mean from the start it’s been them only doing the appearance of running it professionally. This isn’t even the most recent time they’ve hung their asses out, see them saying we need to respect flat earthers or follow German law when they’re not based in Germany

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          Funny enough mods censored luigi heavily including jordan doing weird shit like going to other servers with threats.

          But the largest Luigi sub is on world.

          Not sure what’s up with that.

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            I remember when they made that announcement post about Luigi. I explicitly said that I disagreed with their decision and would not remove anything fitting their description on my communities. Also said if I saw any of it removed I’d just reinstate it. That never sat well with me.

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          respect flat earthers

          That was me, and not LW admins. I had tried to run it past them for awhile, but then jumped the gun before they were ready.

          And that’s not at all what I said. The thing I said that was similar was about having rules against echo chambers. But I’m terrible at convincing people of things and instead of trying to convince people I started with the worst possible consequence.

          Really I just want to prevent r/the_donald. I was there for that whole history, and I watched how they used moderation powers to turn it from a joke into a movement (that should have remained a joke.)

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      Majority of people act in good faith until they get burned…

      Sad reality is that you can’t act that way because we live in a hyper hostile world.

      Good faith behavior should be reserved for friends and family.

      Everyone else gets 10 foot stick until proven other wise.