What Happened?
Jordan has been abusing his position as a moderator and, likely, as a community team member for months. Plenty of people have made posts about it. I made one myself which detailed a bunch of the things that he did.. However, do note that this is a reupload of the text of that post. To look at the comments, you’d have to click this link. All my comments and the post itself are deleted. Why? Explained at the bottom. Two admins from Lemmy.world replied to that post and detailed that they both did not want Jordan as the face of Lemmy.world as well as saying two things
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They had been in talks for days prior to my post about Jordans behavior
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That they had warned Jordan in the past about one particular behavior involving misinformation about a user and Canadian political terms.
In that post, Jordan came to his own defense. During that, he stipulated that he did nothing wrong with the misinformation situation. In doing so he demonstrated either that the admins never did warn him or that he did not internalize/care about the warning and rejected it out of hand. He was doubling down on the same behavior and justifying it.
In the same post, MrKaplan (one of the LW Admins) said that they were in talks about Jordan but nothing was said publicly. After about a week, I left and moved over to dbzero while leaving my LW account up to direct towards dbzer0. I made a goodbye to LW post as well as updating the YPTB post.
Not long after I made that, a post was made to the Lemmy.world announcements community saying that the admins were aware of Jordans behavior and were discussing it as well as giving some truly handwavy, handwringy justifications that made little to no sense as to why they couldn’t remove Jordan.
The Update
Last night, an update was applied to that LW Announcement post. They had changed the listing of mods so that Jordan was no longer the top mod of any community and gave him a warning. A warning. We already had public demonstrations that he did not heed those warnings and was actively doubling down, saying he was correct. They did a thing they were aware he would ignore. That is equivalent to inaction. The bullet went through the ghost when you shot at it? Well, clearly time to shoot a second time!
To make things worse, when they changed who was top mod on the communities, they didn’t warn them. Didn’t warn one of them at least. @JonsJava@lemmy.world. Jons commented saying that he wasn’t notified of this decision and the only warning he was given was days prior about the fact that as top mod he could remove Jordan if he wanted to. So to insulate themselves from having to make an actual decision, the admins instead shifted the order of the modteam and forced two users to become complicit in the situation in ways they weren’t. While Jons was head mod of Jordan over on /c/News, he wasn’t on another community. It seems like Jons was also staying out of the Jordan situation specifically to let the Admins make a decision which they punted back into his court.
This doesn’t even make sense to me. On one hand they’re doing something by taking him off of the modlist as top mod so clearly they’re willing to do something. But on the other hand they’re not willing to do a single thing of consequence. They claim that they’re handcuffed by rules that they created yet their own listed rules openly demonstrate that Jordan can be removed. They have the head of lemmy.world saying that he doesn’t want Jordan to be the face of the instance yet they’re not exactly doing much about it.
I deleted my lemmy.world account last night and all associated posts. This weird behavior of protecting Jordan and ignoring behavior that goes against what they explicitly say and then throwing other moderators under the bus is not exactly a great look. One I want exactly zero part in.
You can sit there and say I wanna play investigative reporter or that I’m an attention whore or whatever else. I don’t really care. I’ve been called worse by better people. But people keep pointing out the fact that I’m kinda recognizable on lemmy and I just got zero interest in backing the Lemmy equivalent of Reddit when I left reddit partially due to this wishy washy horseshit.
Adding in here that he permabanned me from several Lemmys for being a feminist and not breaking any stated rules
Beginning of convo of us discussing my ban itt: https://lemmy.world/post/32343339/18042522
Transcripts (and screencaps in later comment to ArcWolf) of DMs from when JL originally banned me: https://lemmy.world/post/32343339/18014715
World has always just been an exact copy of Reddit on Lemmy
We don’t know who runs/owns it. It could be reddit, meta, or some dudes in their basement, we just don’t know.
It’s your average Reddit mod
Billionaire puppets and zio scum.
hey just so you know “zio” is not a synonym for “zionist” it’s a KKK dogwhistle for “jew we hate”
Fucking seriously? Another reason to hate those assholes.
Then again; I’m totally okay if a kkk shit heel thinks I’m one of them and goes after a Zionist, so I don’t exactly need to feel bad about the mistake.
Kkk will go after any vulnerable person before anyone else.
True. So I guess I doubly don’t have to worry.
but how do you know they’ll go after a zionist and not an anti-zionist jew like me? and what about the anti-zionist jews who come into threads and see slurs against them being thrown around? do you think they’ll be prone to sticking around to coalition build? you’re flattening the conversation into only reaching hate groups and that raises the temperature even away from the keyboard. it only takes you four extra keystrokes to say “zionist” and that change makes a huge difference to how what you’re saying reaches other people
after a Zionist
Well if it’s got anything to do with what I said…
collateral damage
Like i said. Not too concerned.
coalition build
Was thinking more ‘let them fight’.
your mom
Now that’s just uncalled for. Make sure you’re up to date on all your shots first though, okay?
collateral damage
Again; not my biggest concern at this point. Sorry.
you only want to reach hate group
No I’m just unconcerned with having tripped over a dog Whistle
oh god it burns
Shouldn’t have fucked my mom then. I fucking warned you.
I’m going to continue catastrophizing under the worst possible assumption and then some, to the point I’m pretty much making shit up. Give me a few hours and you’ll have fire breathe
That sounds like great fun. May I join in?
Who are you performing this for?
This has been a weird interaction…
Wait, really?
I thought it was just an abbreviation of zionist, and some people called it a slur because they think anti-zionism is antisemetic.nope. it’s a term originally coined by David Duke as part of his ZOG conspiracy theory (which Israel and AIPAC have handily been feeding) that all jews are in league together and control the US government as part of a plot to replace white people.
i understand how if you first encounter it you might assume it’s just short for “zionist” but it’s a slur
I’ll chat to the other admins for their thoughts on this.
It’s less than ideal.
in all but content
https://lemmy.world/comment/19798103
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21679248
What the fuck is up with Serinus replying to my 8 day old comment calling out JordanLund’s documented behavior of banning those who prove him wrong?
Why he is writing like a comic book mystery villain?
What’s best about that comment is it completely ignores everything and says just ignore everything it’s a witch hunt
Sure, it’s a witch hunt. Which is why the admins keep defending them, with dozens of users having independent issues with them.
I could not care less what Serinus has to say. He got uppity when I first made the JL post not due to the content but because I didn’t warn him. When he found out that I had told the admins he backed off. The only reason to inform him is because he’s on the same community team that Jordan was just kicked off of. Dudes attempting to do damage control for his friend. He can keep whining all he wants. He just isn’t important enough to even be on my radar.
I’m only sharing it due to the fact not a lot of people will see his reply to an old comment. So I wanted to help showcase that .world’s entire team is like this.
I haven’t taken anything he says seriously since he tried to make reddit.world host flat earth and other conspiracy theories. And he recently went on a long argument how “From the river to the see, Palestine will be free” was actually antisemitic.
Uppity is not a great word to use anymore, it’s pretty charged
for the downvoters, it’s very much tied to the european genocide of african peoples during the period of ~1500-1900 and remains as a holdover
why is he replying to
Trying to excuse himself for some new bullshit
mystery villain
Because thats cool. Would you rather he talk like “BRING ME THE HEAD OF THE BATMAN!”? That would get old pretty quick. I much prefer this. Maybe think before you talk shit about people next time?
Playing investigative reporter is cool though. Especially if you nail the role.
Still in favor of defederating that shit hole cess pool .world.
Wow, thats levels of grabasstic disorganized cowardly blameshifting clownfuckery I’ve not seen detailed in a while.
Only the best people running .world, just the… top people, really … sending their best.
These people couldn’t run a coffeeshop, but uh, they’re in charge of basically the default landing zone lemmy for at least US based reddit refugees.
Zio propaganda doesn’t just happen chief… It is requires a lot more effort than running a coffee shop tbh
To anybody concerned: don’t engage with .world communities. Instead, bring your traffic to similar communities on other instances. The ability to do this is one of the main points of federation, and .world with its shitty moderation holds way too much sway in the (let’s be honest) still-tiny threadiverse.
It’s easiest to do this, on Lemmy at least, by blocking .world as an instance. Doing so won’t block .world users commenting elsewhere, although when Lemmy 1.0 ships you’ll have that option too. But blocking .world forces you to build a vibrant thriving threadiverse elsewhere without a too-large and too-problematic instance siphoning away any of your traffic and growing even larger as a result. I do this, and I don’t feel I’m missing out by doing so.
I’m doing my part.
- !Risa@lemmy.dbzer0.com // Alt Link for Piefed - For Trek memes
- !2meirl4meirl@lemmy.dbzer0.com // Alt Link for Piefed - For general depression/trauma memes
- !Gay@lemmy.dbzer0.com // Alt Link for Piefed - For gay culture/news/community
- !Memes@lemmy.dbzer0.com // Alt Link for Piefed - For general memes (and private chuckles)
- !Queer_IRL@lemmy.dbzer0.com // Alt Link for Piefed - For gay memes and fabulous chuckles
- !Tumblr@lemmy.dbzer0.com // Alt Link for Piefed - For the best and worst Tumblr has to offer
- !TheShitpostOffice@lemmy.dbzer0.com // Alt Link for Piefed - For the best and worst that Lemmy has to offer
Oh my god I did not know we a shitpostoffice now.
Ah! I need to fill out a change of address form!
I fully admit you’re stronger than me. I understand posting online isn’t intense labor, I do plenty of that on my job.
But your dedication to helping allvate this problem yourself when the admins refuse to deal with one person that they can do anything about is impressive. I just detest .world and avoid it when I can. I’ve been insulted enough by it’s active users that I don’t really like the instance.
Am unfortunately in the same boat, with only occasional bursts of capacity/motivation to properly look after the coms I made in my enthusiasm for Lemmy in 2023
(not that I think less of Lemmy now, I just seldomly get a drive like that anymore)
Edit: As in proactively mod in a way that would be fullfilling the standard I expect myself to have. I still respond to reports if they are made in the first place and not handled by unruffled or other instance admins first.
Edit2: unfortunately when I do get the drive, it sometimes correlates with mental instability and I overdo it ~w~
I left reddit for lemmy. I did not leave reddit for reddit 2.0. I couldn’t do anything about that other site but I sure as fuck can do something about it here. Even if that’s just throwing memes at a new community and making a couple of posts on YPTB.
Some people on SJW and .world were genuinely not able to understand what I meant when I said in c/Fediverse (or something adjacent) that Lemmy was made to be a Reddit alternative, but the opposite of a Reddit 2.0. They were not able to grasp why a Reddit 2.0 would be bad…
Nice!
I have been considering making some less-niche communities than the ones I’ve already made, but I have health issues which cause me to disappear occasionally for a day or three, which gives me pause. And I don’t really know anybody well enough to be a Number One to my Picard or whatever when it comes to running a community.
Actually, if I had this question settled, I’d almost certainly be running an entire small threadiverse instance by now, and a microblogging one too. And maybe a Pixelfed for good measure.
If only we had all the time in the world, yeah? That and total health security…
Yeah, I’m housing and food insecure and stuck living in an environment which decimates my ability to work due to sensory issues. It is fucking brutal.
I blocked .world in Boost and it’s actually been kind of nice. I feel like I’m seeing a lot more of the Fediverse than I would have otherwise.
One of the upcoming Lemmy features is the ability to block an instances communities and all of its users.
How do I block an instance?
Settings - Blocks tab
i just block the politics one, i dont care enough to argue with someone, i immediately block someone if they make asanine comments or condescending response.
This would be funny if it wasn’t just so pathetic. Does jordan have dirt on the admins or something?
Epstein clients running lemmy world 🤣
Nah, they just agree with him
Nah, I think Serinus’ reply to Eugene V. Debs’ Ghost that they posted elsewhere is hinting at what’s going on here. I think Jordan is doing a enormous amount of moderation work on World - his work as a mod seems to be a huge part of his identity at this point and the health issues he’s been open about seem to make it so he physically can’t do much so I would guess he spends most of his days modding. That’s a lot of volunteer labor (with 99% of his actions likely being entirely reasonable internet janitor stuff) and I think what happened is the rest of the LW mods took a hard look at what moderating without him would look like and they would have to expand the mod team a lot (which comes with it’s own significant issues and work vetting people). And it would be devastating to JL himself, and while I think he’s a terrible mod, I don’t hold much animosity towards him as a person.
Ive tried to talk to jl and hes kind of an obsequious two(or more) faced shit head sho approaches every problem totally amorally and lies more freely and easily than most of the sociopaths I’ve known. May be incapable of respect. So you probably should have a problem with him.
This has been my experience with him as well. He does not appear benign to me and even if they take away his mod privileges, he can still participate on Lemmy like everyone else so removing him doesn’t really change anything except protect people from him.
And it would be devastating to JL himself
No one should concerns themselves with that.
“My shitty character made me lose something I wanted” is not grounds for getting rewarded.
Sure. But it’s harder to ignore for the mod team who has worked closely with him for several years now and presumably don’t completely hate him. I’m not saying it’s a good reason, but that it may have factored into the disappointing non-action we saw.
? This doesn’t even make sense though. It would devastate him how? He would simply use Lemmy like the rest of us, he isn’t being permabanned from Lemmy. His day to day will be generally the same, same login and forums and everything, just no powertrip. Which, by the way, is way more grace and generosity than he ever gave normal users when he DID ban them entirely.
If it is, I, um, have some appeals to make to most people I’ve ever known.
Always some kind of mod or admin drama at LW.
If they don’t want to be featured and talked about as a big issues for Lemmy/piefed, they could stop being a garbage fire.
But instead they keep doing what they did before the fire and insist that doing nothing puts it out.
they could stop being garbage fire
I’m not so sure they could.
Yeah exactly, I don’t understand why people have the need to write these posts. You were not ok with what happened there, you deleted your account, done, finished, move on.
Because nothing gets better if nobody is willing to acknowledge and discuss the problem? Seems pretty obvious
It serves as a warning to people when they evaluate what instances to make an account at. And the people who doesn’t evaluate what instances to make an account at deserve what they fucking get. 🤡
Also, it’s a nice reminder for the rest of us to just block the entire lemmy world.
Exactly. Entire point why reddit sucked is because this shit was happening and then scrubbed.
On fedi we document this bullshit so there is public record of misconduct.
The post literally said the previous post was deleted, and as person with a life I have absolutely no clue what this post is talking about. No relevant links to other posts, nothing. So if this is the documentation you are talking about…
It’s not deleted, dingus.I am the dingus.It was. I reposted it. They’re right on that regard.
I am in fact the dingus here.
Why was the original post deleted?
Edit: I read this thread more and account deletion deleted posts. I forgot which account you used to post it. Me not know things.
And the people who doesn’t evaluate what instances to make an account at deserve what they fucking get.
Mmmm gatekeeping, love it. I would assume most people do not care one way or another, they just want to see pictures of cute cats and some cool articles. If your idea of fun is tribalism about what instance you are on, you are the problem.
That’s not what the word gatekeeping means
Can I ask what’s gatekeeping about saying that if you don’t look into the community you create an account on, you deserve what you get?
I’m not sure that’s gatekeeping.
What it is, is being kinda shitty. When I abandoned reddit for lemmy I didn’t have much idea what I was doing so I signed up to .world. I understand there are better tools for choosing an instance now, but a ton of new people are going to end up on world by default. They don’t deserve what they get.
Sure, the phrasing of “deserve” is pointed. I guess “you get what you get if you don’t research” is more neutral. My other account is .world for the exact same reasons you outlined!
You have a point, maybe victim blaming is more accurate.
Jordan would remove your cat photo while saying he’s never seen a cat look like that before, so it’s clearly wrong. Or you hosted your cat blog on substack, and that’s a no no, somehow.
Right, up until you say your cute cat is vegan.
Wrong thread for this drama haha
Nah still applies since lw using how they handled that as one of the reasons
excuseswhy they didn’t remove jl
Your comment is stupid so I will assume you’re stupid too. I don’t care to interact with you again, goodbye.
He doesn’t understand what he is talking about for sure lol
You sound like AI. Trolling via AI… What a concept.
Why shouldn’t we document the weird of admins doing things to keep people who don’t know what they are doing in power?
Jordan has refused to learn better. He thinks he understands Canadian systems better than Canadians, then banned them.
Jordan has refused to admit he was wrong on several occasions. When debating (read: smug from incorrect info) @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world about something the Democrats failed to do, Crab gave links that proved his side, Jordan gave links that proved Crab right, because he didn’t read his own links, and then banned crab.
This isn’t even getting into how other .world mods have had horrid positions. Like how Serinus thinks advocating for free Palestine is just as bad as what Israel does to Gaza, and wanted .world to become flat.world by wanting it to host conspiracy theories and bigotry.
Or how .world loves its trolls who do their job of propaganda for them, but think when they banned for being a troll, .world users will suddenly turn on the instance/mod who banned them.
I also had a bad experience with him (we discussed previously but for others itt): https://lemmy.world/post/36969200/19817472
Jordan is a weirdo, makes sense he hates feminists too.
I do not say abuses of power shouldn’t be documented, I am saying THIS situation doesn’t seem a big issues. But hey I also don’t really care(I am here for the cat photos) and seeing how many people are ready to throw insults before arguments talks volumes about the ability of this community to resolve issues.
We’ve tried resolving the issue, the admins refused. Months on end. Clearly they don’t want to listen to anything no matter how documented and “civil” it is to their ears.
I believe .world needs to be defederated by other major and medium instances.
This is part of the process of building consensus on that.
.world is a problem. It’s a toxic shit fire and feels like its stealing communities for things i want and holding them captive. When i see a person criticizing me us .world I just kind of ignore them, which probably isnt healthy but is definitely better than talking to them. I think the existence of .world and a ‘default’ server is a problem too.
And the political agenda they push under guise og neutrality is monstrous,
Absolutely beyond pathetic. What a joke of an instance.
My .world account (and comments, and posts) go bye-bye.
Really not cool to pass the buck to the top mods to absolve themselves of responsibility.
Not at fucking all. I’m honestly flabberghasted by it all.
Even expecting nothing that update is a fucking joke. Figured they’d honestly do something other than we’ve investigated us and found nothing wrong after even admitting it was bad enough to remove from a mod conduct? group.
Still thanks for all you did stamets. Only reason they’re even doing lip service here is from your posts on it.
I wouldn’t go that far. Jordan has been talked about for a long time. They were being backed into a corner well before me.
No I definitely would simply because they flat out ignored this https://lemmy.world/post/35918814 until your write up
No dammit I didn’t stop I’m not good with compliments leave me aloooooooooone
<3
Absolute shit behavior, I expected better out of them. Throwing a grenade into the laps of your top mods to deal with is so so low.
I will be abandoning .world myself, I have already stopped posting from my .world account and will be recreating any comms I come across that don’t have an off-world/off-ml alternative
Cannot say that I blame you, my friend. This shit is fucking absurd.
I will be be abandoning .world myself, I have already stopped posting from my .world account and will be recreating any comms I come across that don’t have an off-world/off-ml alternative
Thank you for your help on non-world communities
I expected better out of them
Out of curiosity why?
Generally, we give people the benefit of the doubt unless we’ve seen them to be malicious.
I had concluded they were trying to run things professionally and balanced, some of their…“quirky”…decisions I could overlook as growing pains and just problems that come from running something so large.
I mean from the start it’s been them only doing the appearance of running it professionally. This isn’t even the most recent time they’ve hung their asses out, see them saying we need to respect flat earthers or follow German law when they’re not based in Germany
Funny enough mods censored luigi heavily including jordan doing weird shit like going to other servers with threats.
But the largest Luigi sub is on world.
Not sure what’s up with that.
I remember when they made that announcement post about Luigi. I explicitly said that I disagreed with their decision and would not remove anything fitting their description on my communities. Also said if I saw any of it removed I’d just reinstate it. That never sat well with me.
Control the conversation, so when they ban it it’s harder for people to go to fresh conversations. Embrace extend extinguish.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
*theory
respect flat earthers
That was me, and not LW admins. I had tried to run it past them for awhile, but then jumped the gun before they were ready.
And that’s not at all what I said. The thing I said that was similar was about having rules against echo chambers. But I’m terrible at convincing people of things and instead of trying to convince people I started with the worst possible consequence.
Really I just want to prevent r/the_donald. I was there for that whole history, and I watched how they used moderation powers to turn it from a joke into a movement (that should have remained a joke.)
Majority of people act in good faith until they get burned…
Sad reality is that you can’t act that way because we live in a hyper hostile world.
Good faith behavior should be reserved for friends and family.
Everyone else gets 10 foot stick until proven other wise.
Wow, that guy seems like he sucks. Good thing I never have to read anything from that instance, ever.
I’d say you’re missing nothing of value but that’s a lie. The admins suck but there are a ton of great posters and communities.
Hasn’t really been my experience with .world, which is why I stick mostly to the instances I do.
As a .world spelunker I agree with the 'bee. It’s bad all the way down. I just post there for the conflict.
I remember your post, and the handwringing admin response. I also remember thinking that it seemed like they were making a good faith effort.
Just minutes ago I was scrolling down a worldnews post and i saw jordanlund’s name still on the modlist and blocked worldnews.
Have they explained their decision at all, after that entire essay? Or did it just happen one day that jordan was not-even-demoted and no explanation was made for their final decision?
Effectively it was “The rules we have implemented do not allow us to remove him at this time” despite the rules they pointed out being rules that Jordan 100% violated. Publicly. They then said they’re going to look through his stuff on the Community Team and see if there was any bad actions there and if so take further action. They expect its going to end here.
They’re fucking spineless.
cool. blocking .world now too.
Jordan and Lemmy world is microcosm of Israel and US
The real question is why…
Mainly joking, but projection. “Every instance that is more left than me is funded by Russian bots” is their cry, maybe they’re funded by AIPAC and other organizations.
95% a joke, I know they aren’t. I’m not falling to their stupid level of argumenting, I know people can be stupid and have bad opinions without a paycheck.
Lets just say the last time I disagreed with this assessment I found out that we have a rule against badjacketing and I found out that that is a term that, uh, means certain things.
Could it be the case that none of them are?
Absolutely. Certainly yes.
Would I be at surprised if this was an Edward Gregorian / Tim Pool / Benny Johnson / Dave Rubin type scenario?
Absolutely not.
Ghislaine Maxwell was a reddit powermod.
… The precedent of plausibility is established, in my opinion.
