What Happened?
Jordan has been abusing his position as a moderator and, likely, as a community team member for months. Plenty of people have made posts about it. I made one myself which detailed a bunch of the things that he did.. However, do note that this is a reupload of the text of that post. To look at the comments, you’d have to click this link. All my comments and the post itself are deleted. Why? Explained at the bottom. Two admins from Lemmy.world replied to that post and detailed that they both did not want Jordan as the face of Lemmy.world as well as saying two things
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They had been in talks for days prior to my post about Jordans behavior
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That they had warned Jordan in the past about one particular behavior involving misinformation about a user and Canadian political terms.
In that post, Jordan came to his own defense. During that, he stipulated that he did nothing wrong with the misinformation situation. In doing so he demonstrated either that the admins never did warn him or that he did not internalize/care about the warning and rejected it out of hand. He was doubling down on the same behavior and justifying it.
In the same post, MrKaplan (one of the LW Admins) said that they were in talks about Jordan but nothing was said publicly. After about a week, I left and moved over to dbzero while leaving my LW account up to direct towards dbzer0. I made a goodbye to LW post as well as updating the YPTB post.
Not long after I made that, a post was made to the Lemmy.world announcements community saying that the admins were aware of Jordans behavior and were discussing it as well as giving some truly handwavy, handwringy justifications that made little to no sense as to why they couldn’t remove Jordan.
The Update
Last night, an update was applied to that LW Announcement post. They had changed the listing of mods so that Jordan was no longer the top mod of any community and gave him a warning. A warning. We already had public demonstrations that he did not heed those warnings and was actively doubling down, saying he was correct. They did a thing they were aware he would ignore. That is equivalent to inaction. The bullet went through the ghost when you shot at it? Well, clearly time to shoot a second time!
To make things worse, when they changed who was top mod on the communities, they didn’t warn them. Didn’t warn one of them at least. @JonsJava@lemmy.world. Jons commented saying that he wasn’t notified of this decision and the only warning he was given was days prior about the fact that as top mod he could remove Jordan if he wanted to. So to insulate themselves from having to make an actual decision, the admins instead shifted the order of the modteam and forced two users to become complicit in the situation in ways they weren’t. While Jons was head mod of Jordan over on /c/News, he wasn’t on another community. It seems like Jons was also staying out of the Jordan situation specifically to let the Admins make a decision which they punted back into his court.
This doesn’t even make sense to me. On one hand they’re doing something by taking him off of the modlist as top mod so clearly they’re willing to do something. But on the other hand they’re not willing to do a single thing of consequence. They claim that they’re handcuffed by rules that they created yet their own listed rules openly demonstrate that Jordan can be removed. They have the head of lemmy.world saying that he doesn’t want Jordan to be the face of the instance yet they’re not exactly doing much about it.
I deleted my lemmy.world account last night and all associated posts. This weird behavior of protecting Jordan and ignoring behavior that goes against what they explicitly say and then throwing other moderators under the bus is not exactly a great look. One I want exactly zero part in.
You can sit there and say I wanna play investigative reporter or that I’m an attention whore or whatever else. I don’t really care. I’ve been called worse by better people. But people keep pointing out the fact that I’m kinda recognizable on lemmy and I just got zero interest in backing the Lemmy equivalent of Reddit when I left reddit partially due to this wishy washy horseshit.
This would be funny if it wasn’t just so pathetic. Does jordan have dirt on the admins or something?
Epstein clients running lemmy world 🤣
Nah, they just agree with him
Nah, I think Serinus’ reply to Eugene V. Debs’ Ghost that they posted elsewhere is hinting at what’s going on here. I think Jordan is doing a enormous amount of moderation work on World - his work as a mod seems to be a huge part of his identity at this point and the health issues he’s been open about seem to make it so he physically can’t do much so I would guess he spends most of his days modding. That’s a lot of volunteer labor (with 99% of his actions likely being entirely reasonable internet janitor stuff) and I think what happened is the rest of the LW mods took a hard look at what moderating without him would look like and they would have to expand the mod team a lot (which comes with it’s own significant issues and work vetting people). And it would be devastating to JL himself, and while I think he’s a terrible mod, I don’t hold much animosity towards him as a person.
Ive tried to talk to jl and hes kind of an obsequious two(or more) faced shit head sho approaches every problem totally amorally and lies more freely and easily than most of the sociopaths I’ve known. May be incapable of respect. So you probably should have a problem with him.
This has been my experience with him as well. He does not appear benign to me and even if they take away his mod privileges, he can still participate on Lemmy like everyone else so removing him doesn’t really change anything except protect people from him.
No one should concerns themselves with that.
“My shitty character made me lose something I wanted” is not grounds for getting rewarded.
Sure. But it’s harder to ignore for the mod team who has worked closely with him for several years now and presumably don’t completely hate him. I’m not saying it’s a good reason, but that it may have factored into the disappointing non-action we saw.
? This doesn’t even make sense though. It would devastate him how? He would simply use Lemmy like the rest of us, he isn’t being permabanned from Lemmy. His day to day will be generally the same, same login and forums and everything, just no powertrip. Which, by the way, is way more grace and generosity than he ever gave normal users when he DID ban them entirely.
If it is, I, um, have some appeals to make to most people I’ve ever known.