Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All (potentially accidentally while scrolling).
Important notes:
- I don’t use scripts.
- I don’t mass-downvote Communities. If I see a post I generally don’t like when browsing All, I may downvote one post, block the Community and move on.
- Some of the communities I was banned from don’t have any posts in them so I wouldn’t have been able to downvote anything.
- Of all of these Communities, in my history I downvoted one post in one of them. Voting in this manner is not vote manipulation. It’s quite literally a feature of the platform and as a mod of another Community, I would consider it pretty good etiquette.
- One of my bans reads “Appeal Granted, not a brigading member” but I’m still banned.
- I don’t troll.
WTF is going on here?
EDIT - Updated Info from the conversation below: In the initial image, you can see two “ban waves.”
The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community. It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477
I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.
The other bans from two months ago are from four total downvotes over a 10-month timeframe in one Community.
I have also stated in this thread that I don’t have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.
EDIT 2: Now unbanned from the ten Communities listed as “3 months ago” in my initial image, but have been banned from three more because of this thread with the reason given being “self-proclaimed anti-AI brigader” which are two things I didn’t claim to be. God dammit Lemmy…
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Honestly. Doing this when someone makes dozens of downvotes is ridiculous and stupid. Doing this with a single downvote is… I can’t even begin to fathom how unimaginably stupid and ridiculous that is.
You mean “dozens of downvotes” specifically directed at a single community?
I don’t even have downvotes on my instance but would that really be unusual? I often see a lot of people on a thread making the same wrong statements. I could see how that kind of thing would lead to a lot of downvotes in the same community and I was never very heavy handed with my downvoting.
In this case I’m referring to the hypothetical of a single account, consistently downvoting almost every post on a community with zero interaction history. And they keep doing it.
I can’t speak for whatever you’ve done or been accused of, but those accounts do exist and it’s completely justifiable that some community owners ban them.
I don’t think votes should be an actionable metric in any circumstance. Bots should be banned, but real people should be allowed to vote as much as they want on whatever they want. Otherwise you’re just cultivating an echo chamber.
Disagree. If I run a metal music community, and someone who doesn’t like metal continually goes in there and downvotes everything because, well, they don’t like metal music. What use are they to it? Why wouldn’t I ban them? All they’re doing is hurting the visibility of the community. This is the context in which I would ban downvoters from my community. Serial mass downvoting by people who never otherwise engage with the community, don’t like the topic of the community, and in some cases - the accounts have zero comment history and purely exist to downvote.
I think this is quite different to just ‘wanting an echo-chamber’.
That mods/admins can even see who is downvoting is, by far, my least favorite thing about Lemmy.
It is an invariable aspect of lemmy though. It is open source. Anyone can make a server. The servers need to have a database for the up- downvotes and they need the info specific to the user, so it can’t just be said by another instance “heres 1000 downvotes, deal with it”.
E.g. on reddit and any other corporate social media the admins can also see exactly who up- and downvoted stuff.
They should really just remove up/down -votes.
And how would content be organised and curated?
lets just do forums where everything is sorted by recency of comments and instead of bitching about voting people bitch about 25 year old threads getting necroed
I don’t have an issue with this instance being pro-AI, but I find it weird as fuck how harshly skeptics are treated
I find it weird how harsh AI haters treat people who use it.
People are assholes to people who disagree with them, no matter the topic.
You can find examples of people on each ‘side’ being assholes. Social media teaches people to be outraged, not to have any empathy.
I also got banned from some communities for “systematic downvoting”. I’d estimate I’ve downvoted maybe 5 or so posts by a moderator promoting a harmful diet, which was apparently enough for being “systematic”. The mod also banned me from other random communities I had never interacted with in the first place. But oh well, nothing of value was lost for me. Just kinda sucks that mods can use this to make it seem like their statements are less controversial than they are.
Lemmy (and Reddit) are a collection of little dictatorships. But dictatorship is bad, I think, maybe.
The true power of the fediverse is that little dictatorships should, in principle, balance out each other
If you want to have a debate about my diet, I’m open to that - but just downvoting every post you see because you don’t like it… that doesn’t work for me - that isn’t the kind of community I want to grow.
I don’t want to debate your diet, just want to add my voice of disagreement to it (i.e. downvote). There was nothing systematic about any of my votes. I came upon your posts without seeking them out, read them and thought they shouldn’t be promoted, so I downvoted them to reduce their algorithmic visibility and voice my general opposition. I upvoted people who argued against your points, as I agreed with them and wanted to promote their viewpoints. In my opinion, that’s quite a normal way to use this platform. Otherwise, do you also ban people who only upvote you without stating why they agree with your points?
That is a fair way to use the platform, since private communities are not yet a thing we have this weird disconnect between small communities and people who don’t like small communities.
My view is I’m trying to create a safe space for people to talk about a thing, but random people keep looking around at all activity and exporting their negativity since they don’t like the small community. So this weird “please block things you don’t like” state is the best option we have until subscriber only communities become a real feature.
Let’s say you don’t speak German, when you see the german posts in the ALL feed do you downvote them each and every time because they are in a language you don’t understand?
Let’s say you don’t speak German, when you see the german posts in the ALL feed do you downvote them each and every time because they are in a language you don’t understand?
That’s not a very good comparison, they were specifically stating they down voted something they thought was harmful and shouldn’t be promoted.
For your example it would be closer to seeing a post written in German but it’s a post saying positive things about Nazis or something.
Then yeah, I would hope people would down vote it.
If I get banned for a downvote I dont want to have anything to do with that community anyway.
