For context, the IOF tortured Greta. Proudly bragging about dragging her on all fours across the ground to kiss the Zionists’ flag.
I. Am. Tired.
The ICJ ordered humanitarian aid to be let into Gaza 21 fucking months ago.
The Sumud flotilla was doing the job of the international community.
Israel broke international law by stopping the aid, by intercepting them in international law (piracy) and of course by using starvation as a weapon as well as the countless horrors it inflicts on civilians. Yet there is not a peep about this from corporate media, let alone the governments of the nationals of the flotilla who undertook this phenomenal act of courage and did nothing to protect them from Zionist fascists.
Enough is enough.
Hitler just nodding and smiling from the outhouse of hell.
“Let my hate become you”
Why the fuck are you defaming New Jersey by comparing it to Israel?
Apologies, I promise it wasn’t intended as a slight against the state but as a method I use to dodge censors about the cult. I dug a bit deeper to make sure I wasn’t talking out of my ass (as I couldn’t recall exactly where the size correlation in my brain came from) and it does turn out it comes from a Netanyahu quote not a talking head as I’d initially thought.
On June 13, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel would be like “10,000 tons of TNT falling on a country the size of New Jersey.”
Since October 2023, Israel has dropped an estimated 70,000 tonnes of explosives on Gaza – an area about 1.6% the size of New Jersey.
They don’t even have pork rolls! Completely different.
We won’t even talk about how shitty their bagels are.
Israel’s defenders like to bring up about how they’re such a weak country “smaller than New Jersey” and therefore need tens of billions of dollars of US aid.
Jersey doesn’t need shit though. Trenton Makes, the World Takes is the saying for a reason. Get it together, Israel!
Thank you
I wish I had an ounce of her bravery and integrity, she always stands for what she speaks. I wish her well, the IDF and the genocidal Israeli government is a pitch dark chapter in human history.
I just want to remind everyone that the right’s early work to paint Greta Thunberg as a “cringe and embarrassing kid put on stage by rich parents to scold hard-working homeowners” was so successful that it had almost universal support in mainstream social media, with both the right and left saying things like “I care about the environment and all, but this is just too cringe” and to this day, there are people who still think she’s that child.
Why am I reminding everyone of this?
Because a lot of those people were progressive/leftist and got pulled along in the bandwagon because it was funny.
This is what it means to not really have your values and principles thought out, you can end up supporting things you don’t intend. You will end up helping shoot down causes you should care about before even thinking about it.
Beware ANYTHING you read or see online or on broadcast that makes you feel something, either negative or positive, they’re all emotions designed to change your feelings and thus positions.
And you just know she will be on the next flotilla she is able to.What a couragous young lady.
Unpopular opinion and I don’t care but I’m tired of confusing courage with idiocy.
You’re tired and confused all right.
If you find someone trying to stop a brutal regime starving and killing children idiotic,i think it says a lot about a lot about your personal morals and lack of empathy.
She didn’t do shit
Objectively false.
Shes raising awareness across the world of the illegal and atrocious acts of Israel.
Shes doing a lot, shes in the news and changing peoples mind about the conflict the world over.
What have you done to try and save a genocided population?
That’s right, fucking nothing except try and make edgy, uninformed comments on the internet as if you’re special. You’re not special, not even a little, because you are a small person at the end of the day.
And the beginning.
More than you’re doing, you waste of human material. Eat shit and choke.
8.3 billion and you think you know everyone? I’m the last person on this planet.
Incorrect
What I’ve learned: People that are amid changing their mind tend to be quiet.
That means change, and the effects of nonviolent action, are often hard to see; especially when Israel/Russia is writing thousands of rage bait bot scripts announcing online “Good! Make that Hamas traitor kiss that flag!” to make themselves seem popular.
She’s making sure Israel’s actions remain headline news.
Yet another war crime
desert New Jersey
Eh? NJ is extremely diverse, and to compare it to an ethnostate is pretty ignorant.
Edit: Apparently I’m the problem here. My bad 🙄
Size comparison, bud.
Edit from the problem here; OP forgot his meds and let a stupid straw break a camel’s back that let through a lot of pent up shit- I’ll better clarify below, but no one was crazy but me.
First things first, I’m sorry for popping off-- Had my hands in too many discussions at once and aimed poorly in the process. Feel free to dislike me (it’s justified), but I can honestly say there’s no beef here from me with anyone that isn’t supporting genocide.
Next, I had no idea so many people took potshots at Jersey, so I’ll keep that in mind going forward. ‘Desert New Jersey’ comes from I think Hasan mentioning how wild it was that all this war criming is coming from such a relatively small place in the world and it stuck as an internal censor for Israel. I absolutely don’t think ~10mil actual people in the state are like the cultists, so I’m sorry about that misunderstanding, too.
All that said, I don’t dirty delete so my shame will remain there and I will go smoke a bowl and try not to cause any stupid altercations for the rest of my weekend. Be safe and fuck Zion.
NJ gets shit on all the time, so I assumed that this is what that was.
Well obviously that’s not clear, and I imagine there’s a large chunk of the ~10 million people living in NJ who wouldn’t appreciate the comparison.
As a resident of the state, yeah I assumed we were getting shit on again for some reason. I’ve never once heard this size comparison before.
As someone who lives an entire ocean and then half a continent away, I also thought people were shitting on NJ again because even I’m aware of NJ being a literal meme. I remember even HIMYM gave it a lovingly joking “ew Jersey” vibe when one of Ted’s girlfriends lived there.
I literally know nothing else about your joke other than the fact that the rest of the US memes about it. And that Weehawken is supposedly an OK place to live if you work in Manhattan?
I mean yes, I also know that The Sopranos took place there, but the setting felt pretty generic to me. I know NYC is known for the mafia families and it seems likely that that would’ve transferred over to Jersey as well, but nothing about the show ever screamed “this could only happen here” lol
Yeah NJ mostly became a meme because New Yorkers and Philadelphians love to make fun of it despite coming to our beaches in the summers in droves. The Jersey Shore show didn’t help with our image, but again, 3/4 of the people on that show are out of staters. NJ had no more of a mob problem than NY or Philly, and most of the mob has been neutered across the board. Government corruption still very much a problem in the state though.
There’s lots of nice places to live that are relatively easy to get into Manhattan from along the Hudson. Hoboken is my favorite.
Ugh the Jersey Shore people never felt like real people, the show obviously found some of the worst around lol. What the hell is a Snooki even
One of the actual New Jerseyans, unfortunately. Well, she grew up here at least. She does falsely claim to be from NY though so they can have her
Thanks for confirming that I’m not insane (well for this reason at least).
I was thinking “is it cause a lot of Jewish people live here?” OP responding to you like you personally beat Greta up or sent them mean DMs
This is what it’s like dealing with y’all “ACHEWUALLY” fuckin goombas when we’re dealing with a group that controls and censors like 80% of social media NOT EVEN INCLUDING BOTFARMS.
It’s very fucking clear I’m not talking about the ~10 million people in the US - You want to argue semantics? Go elsewhere for it.
What does this have to do with leftism? You straight up compared an entire US state to a genocidal ethnostate. Sorry that raised some eyebrows.
It’s not fucking clear at all. You called Israel “Desert New Jersey.” You are the only one who immediately goes to “size”
You could have just said, “I can see why you would have interpreted it that way, my bad”
Fucking weirdo.
Forgive me for not holding your hand through every sentence and syllable while my other inboxes are full of threats of violence and reminders that the US camps will come for me next, ‘fucking weirdo’- Perhaps you’d like a step by step next time OR like the other people in this SAME THREAD you can see that it’s simple manner of skirting the horseshit.
Any other minor fucking problems with a shit post you’d like to complain about? The font I use to skirt the bots, maybe? Didn’t get the spacing to your liking? Was my grammar not up to par for you?
I need notes so that my ‘one dude doing what he can as the world turns to shit’ act doesn’t lose any of its prestige.
OK bud. Have a nice day.
I think you need to reconsider who you’re actually angry at. Your response above, with the meme, is not normal.
The person you’re responding to, and these memes, aren’t interested in discussing anything.
Things don’t need to make sense. They just have to be provocative and engage people.
The intent is to normalize their message through the lens of things we can kinda agree on. Idk if they expected anyone to not want to dunk on NJ, because their prop sheet says we like to dunk on NJ.
Yeah I had no idea thats what you were doing. Thought it was a jab at Jersey.
OP is very clearly changing their intent so as to appear right.
If Israel is desert New Jersey, what does that make Delaware?
Another tax haven, Luxembourg
No way, you get treated like a terrorist for trying to break a blockade in a war zone, who could have guessed. Israel has been surprisingly merciful, comparedtoo what would have happened in any other war zone everywhere in the world Especially disgusting was that rogue MPs from various European countries were released immediately
It’s not legal to blocade international waters or the territorial waters of other places, especially to prevent humanitarian aid when there’s a war. The flotilla didn’t enter Israeli waters. Under maritime law, what the Israeli navy did was piracy and kidnapping.
Merciful war criming and merciful genociding. Yes, of course.
Any other warzone wouldn’t have blockaded and bombed civilians. Unless you’re the Nazi’s during WW2.
If anyone thinks Lemmy is actually a bastion of “leftists” instead of a deliberate radicalization campaign attempting to disguise itself as “leftist progressivism” then I’d like to sell them this bridge I have in my back yard.
How about you take a running leap off that bridge instead?
Tell me more about this conspiracy to make people oppose genocide and use Linux. Or is the latter a random side effect of the radical propaganda?
What does this guy think real leftists do - not try to promote their agenda?
Every moment we dont glass that shit hole is another atrocity we are complicit in.
Right, because the only thing that can stop a bad mass slaughter is, of course, the good mass slaughter - a concept that totally makes sense
I’m largely a pacifist, but yes, the only thing that will stop Israel is overwhelming force.
Regime change. Peaceful would be best.
It’s never going to happen.
The only thing that stops this war is if Palestine gets their hands on a nuke. Mutually-assured destruction would force peaceful international intervention.
You think Palestine somehow becoming a nuclear power is more likely than the possibility that a globally condemned far right government that relies on foreign aid would undergo regime change?
Absolutely not.
Neither will happen. This war will continue indefinitely and the same people profiting handsomely off of it now will continue to do so.
They’re committing genocide; I don’t think killing them is necessarily good, but its moral cost is precisely zero, the value if their lives is not and should not be a cobsideration, and ending them all very quickly would stop the problem.
If you care more about the genociders than the people theyre exterminating literally right now then you are a monster.
The israeli population is not committing genocide, you are just a stinking antisemite. Take your hate somewhere else, loser.
The link doesn’t work and I have yet to see the actual source poll of that screenshot instead of websites reporting on reporting of other websites.
Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper, is the source of that poll. Here’s the original link to the article that discusses it (it’s paywalled, which is probably why it’s so hard to find).
The poll was conducted in May, so the numbers have probably changed a bit, but I totally understand your skepticism. Unfortunately, as an American Jew who is the grandchild of Holocaust survivors, I’ve spent a lot of time in Israel, have Israeli family, and I have no trouble believing these numbers. It’s difficult not to generalize, but based on my personal experiences with my family, as well as talking with Israeli Jews, Israeli Arabs, and Palestinians who live in the occupied territories, there is disgusting widespread hatred against Palestinians and Muslims in general that has been completely normalized across Israeli society. It’s by no means every single person, there are still loads of lefty anti-establishment and anti-Zionist movements, but I have no trouble saying that the majority of Israelis hold abhorrent views about Palestinians. It’s definitely not antisemitic to describe the hatred I’ve witnessed coming from Jews against Palestinians. I can’t even count the number of horrendous things I’ve seen.
Racial slurs are the norm, racial profiling is legal and expected at the entry to every public business, segregation is expected and accepted, Jewish children are taught to hate Palestinians, and every Israeli (with some exceptions) is conscripted into the military, so they are all indoctrinated into a system of state violence.
The person you were responding to seems to think that murder is acceptable in service of a just cause, and I couldn’t disagree more. Murder and violence are never justified, even against those committing them.
I was mostly responding to the comment of “The israeli population is not committing genocide”, because as you say, Palestinian dehumanization and hatred is widespread. I do not claim that it’s every single person, but it’s high enough for me that it’s obviously a vanishingly small, practically insignificant minority that isn’t supportive of genocide.
I can’t think of the last time an oppressed group successfully politely asked their oppressors to stop and had it work.
Diplomacy has been tried repeatedly, and has never been done in good faith by Israel or Zionists. When diplomacy and peaceful protest fails, what other options are left?
Even Colombia’s president said that he wants to put together a unified military of the world to stop the genocide by force, and I agree with that notion. It’s long past due.
(I am, for the record, Palestinian in diaspora)
How much does Bibi pay you?
It’s so telling that the only reason to be against antisemitism that you can fathom is a monetary one. Sadge.
Glassing is not a solution. You drop a bomb and make sand into glass but you haven’t actually changed the regime. You haven’t changed who does and does not have power. You haven’t changed who is considered human or less than. You haven’t changed what the public of that country thinks. You haven’t changed much of anything.
Boycotting is effective. It worked on South Africa. It worked in many other cases. It needs critical mass. It needs a sufficient portion of the relevant population to participate. Anyone who could buy an Israeli product and does not because of what they are doing in Gaza is making change. Anyone who refuses to participate in international events because Israel is there is making change. Anyone who refuses to perform in Israel is making change.
Saying “glass them” feels good, it feels cathartic and just and right. It is not right. It doesn’t work. It is morally faulty. Glassing Israel or part thereof would be the beginning of a much larger war, killing many more people. It would escalate existing conflict into something somehow even larger. It is understandable you would want to say it, but it does not actually make the world better. Maybe there is nothing you personally can do to make the world better in this case, and if so that sucks. But you don’t have to make the world worse because you can’t make it better.
killing them all wouldn’t solve anything–only voting with our wallets can save these people. Any day now.
Casually calling for murder of an entire countries worth of humans. Tell me again how this isn’t antisemitism instead of the very valid and necessary criticism of Israels government and their army?
Why do you think that is antisemitism? I don’t agree with the bombing, but what does it have to do with the inhabitants being jewish?
It doesn’t, they’re conflating a country that was squeezed into existence in the 1940s with a religion and/or ethnic group.
Which is exactly what the shit bag politicians who are genociding Palestinians WANT people to do, as any criticism can be waved away by calling it “antisemitism”
Are they Jewish? More than america Canada or Ireland?
But bombing Israel in this case wouldn’t be about hating jewish people, it would be about hating the actions Israel is currently taking.
Yep. Paradox of
toleranceongoing preventable fucking genocide
Hmm yeah what does murdering all humans in a country that just so happens to be majority jewish have to do with antisemitism? Weird how I don’t read the same about murdering all humans in the USA when their government is partly responsible for the current genocide as well and for countless human rights violations before.
So your logic is that Israel is only hated on in this way because a lot of jewish people live there?
Does that mean 9/11 was anti-christian according to you?
I can’t follow your mental gymnastics there, sorry.
Calling to genocide civilians for the action of their government is wrong, mkay?
I agree, mkay, just not that it’s antisemitism.
Well thats the point. People call for the genocide of Israelis but not e.g. of the entire US because they have internalized antisemitism.
When these assholes saw the end coming in Europe they doubled down on the genocides rather than trying to escape, avoid prosecution, consolidate wins, or even minimize casualties.
They need to be taken out and taken out fast enough they don’t have time to do more harm.
how is this not antisemitism
The same way it’s not homophobic–I don’t see the connection.
