Two people critical in hospital as officials in Bend say 16-year-old suspect shot dead by bystander
A 16-year-old shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Bend, Oregon, on Thursday, killing three children and a teacher before he was shot dead by a community member, authorities said at an evening news conference.
The dead children at Silver Rail elementary school were aged five, eight and 11, officials said.
A seven-year-old and a 54-year-old were also hospitalized with critical injuries, according to police.
Where was the school security???
Why can’t these fuckers decide to shoot a fucking billionaire or some politician? Why is it always a school and in most cases elementary ones?
I remember Sandy Hook and it was the saddest thing you could ever imagine.
Because they’re failures and failures seek easy targets.
Just another day in America. Unfortunately.
Read it was a special needs class that was attacked; teacher tried to stop the shooter by placing herself between the kids and the shooter and seize the gun.
Unfortunately the shooter’s name has been revealed. Infamy is what these nihilists want.
Without knowing any details of this case and the actual situation that happened - at one point in time, a civilian with a firearm opened fire at another (minor) with a firearm because there was a possible danger scenario near a school. How did the “good guy” in this scenario know exactly that this was the right call to open fire, and not just another possible “good guy with a gun”?
In this case, he was evidently correct, well done! But it could easily have become a terrible blue-on-blue scenario as well.
To me, this single “good guy with a gun” scenario does not justify the fact that firearms are so widespread that the “bad guy” easily got his own, and became more deadly as a result.
the kid shot 4 people and you don’t understand why someone considered them a threat?
I agree that the good guy with a gun thing is generally a myth and usually causes more trouble than good, but in this case I don’t think it was a hard judgement call…
A good guy with a gun happens all the time. You ever watch body cams?
That assumes he saw a kid with a gun and did nothing while evaluating the situation and getting a 100% confirmation that he is indeed a crazy shooter. Which could really only happen when he saw this kid started shooting other kids. Then he calmly found a location where he would not accidentally hit any bystanders and without missing, terminated the shooter. If that sounds improbable for a real life situation, that’s why OP expressed his doubts.
Also do we want every random vigilante carrying and deciding who is or isn’t a threat in general? If a police officer busts in and hurts an innocent while taking this shooter down it’s already a huge enough can of worms… if this guy did, now is he criminally liable or are we giving random citizens qualified immunity?
Also do we want every random vigilante carrying and deciding who is or isn’t a threat in general?
There’s a shit ton of conservatives in this country, so the answer to that question is a massive FUCK NO. We can’t even trust them to do things that benefit themselves. I have very little faith in the humans around me when I’m out in public. I don’t want them playing judge, jury, and executioner.
That scene in men in black but will smith is a conservative would be a great skit.
Statistically gun owners are more likely to shoot themselves or their family than to use the gun in defense
That includes both accidental and intentional use of the gun
That is why you need a gun safe.
“Good guy with a gun” is a fallacy.
It just happened with this story. A legal gun owner took out a lunatic with a shotgun.
There is nothing we could do, says someone who hasn’t tried anything.
Wow for once there actually was a “good guy with a gun”. Probably not a great strategy anyway, because the death toll is too high still.
Very fucking sad case. 16 year old shooter and he picks an elementary school of all things? Fuck.
16-year-old shooter is pretty common for elementary school shootings
My best friend’s niece was injured in a mass shooting at her elementary school. The shooter was 18
It’s honestly a bit hard for me to feel sad about the shootings any more. There are so many. This was like the 150th school shooting this year alone
It’s simply part of American life
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Doesn’t Oregon have some of the tightest gun control measures in the U.S.? Only shortly behind CA and WA states?
So like what are they going to do next? Ban bullets?
No state can reasonable restrict guns. They’re too easy to get anyway
Kind of like how the whole country is strict on felons owning guns, but they all have them anyway
The US needs federal gun reform to stop this, but we’ve decided dead children are worth it to have largely unrestrained gun ownership
but we’ve decided dead children are worth it to have largely unrestrained gun ownership
That doesn’t even help us when we find ourselves in the literal situation the founding fathers gave us the right for.
Oregon’s “strict” gun laws are basically a rumor. Measure 114 passed in 2022 and has never taken effect, lawsuits and lawmakers keep kicking it down the road.
So what we actually have is background checks. Now put 2+2 together and realize a 16 year old was never buying a gun legally in the first place. Whatever he used started as somebody’s legal purchase… let that sink in.
Meanwhile, the story everyone wants to sell you, once again, is the armed bystander. Which is exactly the kind of story that sells more guns, especially out here in Oregon. More guns sitting in trucks and closets where a teenager can get to them, a teenager who never got a background check, or a thief who can steal them and sell them to someone nobody background checked either.
Four people are dead. Three children. One teacher.
I’ll keep waiting for the part where the system and our “stricter” gun laws worked.
They clearly need more security in schools.
I imagine the kid could have probably passed a background check.
Well like you said. There are more guns. So why haven’t Dems put forward more laws to encourage gun lockers, safes, safe public storage locations and more laws to criminalize reckless storage, actually enforce those? More encouragement and incentives for training, education that doesn’t cost $300+
Keep in mind the states on the West Coast have been heavily controlled by Dems for years now, so why not move forward instead of stuck in the ideals of banning firearms? Why move forward with the stereotype of taking away firearms?
Seems to only embolden and encourage more firearm purchases if you ask anyone with a brain.
perhaps instead you should ask why republicans block every attempt at federal gun regulation? Especially after SandyHook… you’d have to be a heartless monster not to support gun control after that. Which, Yeah, I’m pretty comfortable calling all elected republicans heartless monsters.
Compare the practicality and effectiveness in legislating and enforcing what people do with weapons inside their homes, vehicles, sheds over limiting access to the kinds of weapons people (“We the people” is inclusive of the most careless among our population) can obtain.
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You know the “strictest “ gun laws are simply things like doing a background check on all gun transactions right?!
And those background checks clear very fast. I purchased a gun a few years ago and the background check cleared within a minute or two, it wasn’t significantly more difficult than buying a candybar.
It takes a minute or two just to fill the form out on the laptop…
Under half an hour walking in and out is realistic for the entire process, but even if your hitting a stop watch the second the employee hits “submit” and staring at a screen hooked up to a fiber Internet connection…
It’s not a “minute or two”
In Texas, you can peer to peer a gun sale without any checks of any kind…
In the vast majority of states that’s true…
Which leads to people intentionally not looking at license plates or even asking for a driver’s license.
The only way to get in trouble as a seller is if you know the buyer can’t buy a gun, so sellers avoid all possible information, including age or if they live in that state.
I purchased a rifle at like 12 at a flea market because I was already 6 foot tall and my dad wanted to see if I could. Dude didn’t ask for Idea and I handed him less than a hundred dollars
As long as that loophole exists, anyone can get a gun. Even if they have to drive a state over.
Yes, but I’ve spent more time buying cabinets.
I’m confident I was in the store for less than 40 minutes, and yeah, when I say “a minute or two” that’s obviously a every rough estimate.
it wasn’t significantly more difficult than buying a candybar
Kind of curious what you call that then…
But really doubt I’m ever go to see it
I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking/saying here.
There’s only so much you can do when the Roberte court decides what is and is not constitutional. The best gun control measures in the US still have to contend with being in the US. I live in Oregon, and I can tell you as a fact that its very easy to buy a gun here.
in the U.S.
theres your problem!
Oregon isn’t that tightly controlled. There is a mandatory BG check and we have measure 114 restrictions still stuck in legal implementation limbo, but especially in the eastern part of the state gun culture is huge and everyone has one. Kinda comes with the outdoorsy stuff.
You can just drive across state lines with guns.
Or just take one from someone who jumped through the hoops to get it legally
It’s not hard to get a gun in Oregon
Also this.
Which is good because it looks like the shooter was stopped by someone who was armed.
Ahh yes, the answer to gun violence is obviously more guns.
Only morons believe the answer is to get rid of all guns. You might as well ask to get rid of cancer too.
I never said get rid of all guns, I own 6 of them myself. But there is a wide gap between “free gun with every candybar, no limitations” and “ban all guns”.
Just think about that statement a moment
WA doesn’t have particularly stringent gun-purchase laws in my experience. I’ve bought three handguns over the past three decades and I don’t remember any major obstacles. I think there was an FBI(?) background check and maybe a State Patrol background check (the latter just checks your criminal record for in-state crimes). Those were long ago for me and SP check can be done online now - probably takes a few minutes and costs a few dollars. I’m not sure if there’s any kind of background checks for long guns, I suspect not but I’m sure someone with a gun hobby will chime in.
WA hands out concealed carry permits like candy
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By the time officers arrived on scene, the suspected assailant had been shot and killed inside the school building. It is unclear who shot the suspect.
I suppose if you work in an elementary school these days, you know the Calvary isn’t coming in and you’re on your own. My guess is a teacher took down the shooter.
It was a bystander that followed the shooter in. Person saved a lot of lives.
A very common mixup, but I think you mean cavalry. Calvary has a very different meaning.
Both are equally useless to the dead kids.
Yes, that is a correct statement.
Calvary: site outside Jerusalem where Jesus was crucified according to the Gospels
Hmm. Maybe it could mean thoughts and prayers won’t work?
Or they took themselves out
Bend is very “rural hippie” coded still and I would guess you are right. Central and eastern Oregon still has a super high gun ownership rate
For context, Bend is a small city in eastern oregon.
Portland, Salem (the capital) and Eugene (2nd biggest city) are all in the williamette valley in the west. The eastern 2/3rds is mostly high alpine desert and very sparsely populated.
Bend is small, but the largest settlement in the east, and fairly wealthy. Eastern OR is basically Idaho, culturally, but Bend is ritzier and richer than the rest of East OR.
Bend is in central Oregon
Oregon is divided into East and West by the Cascades. Bend is east of the Cascades.
The price we pay for cosplaytriotism
So, good guy with gun stopped bad guy with gun?
Crossing your fingers and hoping for a good guy with a gun.
Sound strategy. Much smart.
Are you fishing for your cherry picked case that proves the premise you wanted in spite of the overwhelming evidence that contradicts it?
Is that not what happened here?
What about the hundreds of times that hasn’t happened? Or what about, if the “bad guy” didn’t have a gun 4 people wouldn’t be dead to begin with?
This narrative of “good guy with a gun” is so unbelievably rare, that when it happens, it’s actually noteworthy. You and your ilk love to hold it up to further your agenda. Neverminding the stacks and piles of bodies you’re stepping over to get to one example of “good guy with a gun”.
My ilk? Leftist gun owners? The solution you’re proposing is nobody has a gun. The genuine reality is, that’s never going to be the case in America.
I said ilk, I meant it.
Leftist can be gun owners, no problem with that, the problem is you’re not a leftist. You’re just a larper troll.
I mean, you can believe whatever you want regardless of it’s basis in reality I guess.
No, that is right wing baby talk. Reality is much more complex.
Your opinion is that the school shooter wasn’t shot by a civilian bystander?
So if we extrapolate here, that means everybody should have a gun! Then, when this happens every day, maybe 1 out of 50 or so will have a chance of the shooter being stopped by a second shooter! Then everyone will be safe!
Let them eat guns!
I don’t think everyone should have a gun.
Not to be off topic, but we should start seeing a lot of these again nearing the midterms. You’ll hear a lot of lying about doing something about them, and after trump steals the midterms he’ll be clear to remove American gun ownership - can’t have the peons running around armed. Sounds like an insurrection.
Trump is a far-right conservative. His base is extremely pro-gun ownership
Your analysis is incorrect
The movement to take firearms by the far right has already started. They were very vocal when Pretti was shot that protesters and those on the left should not have firearms.
If we can’t have firearms to stop tyranny then wtf is the point of them.
So 2Aers, while they happily gorge themselves on fascist dick, can shoot the people who actually care about society.
Basically, only the SA and SS get to have guns because they openly love authoritarian regimes despite their hypocritical excuse to “protect from tyranny” or whatever.
This may be hard to believe but there are people on the left who are very happy with 2A, or do you get off over the idea of more fighting between us all?
I get off a little at the idea of all the entitled racist dumbfuck bullies claiming to be patriots someday getting their asses ripped by a completely fed up and optionless mass of formerly decent people, yeah, although the feeling comes with psychological baggage.
Moreso I’m disgusted by the hypocrisy of the aforementioned bullies having the gall to claim patriotic dissent against tyranny when they’re the bootlickingest ones comprising the nationalist cancer at the ground level. Guns are horrid devices and I wish they didn’t exist, but when they’re legal in your society, you better have them anyway. I’ve just given up hope that there’s any chance whatsoever that those supposedly charged with protecting democracy via the 2A will or ever even would have a chance in hell of actually doing it. The federal government in the US has proven on multiple occasions it’s got no problem siccing its troops on its citizens when they stand up against tyranny, and the government will always hold far superior weapons and organized effort. I’m a 2Aer more for personal defense against bad luck encounters than any kind of falsely grandiose greater purpose of reclaiming democracy.
Statistically you’re more likely to shoot yourself or your family than to use your gun in self-defense
You like having a gun because of the feeling of control and power it gives you. The illusion of safety is just your excuse
I am a master at rationalization, you got me there.
There is no point of having firearms for that purpose, or does anyone here believe those ammosexual gun nuts would actually prevent a government like the current one?
