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“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”
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Except they have actually started seizing parts of businesses. Is that not literally communism? Honest question. Because if it’s not, I don’t know what it is.
It’s communism when the workers seize the means of production. The thing is, this is not a workers’ government.
So the split hairs is that technically it’s not communism because it’s not helping the workers?
This really feels like “no true Scotsman”. The government that workers chose, seized the means of production. This is communism.
It’s not even under the illusion of communism you nonce. So no, it’s not communism.
Might as well call Trump the real “woke librul antifa” if you don’t care about the meaning words.
I guess what @[email protected] is trying to point at is that worker’s don’t truly control the government and so when the current government seizes the means of production it’s closer to a change of hands between different groups of capitalists than anything envisioned by communists.
I’d also like to say that although the government has “seized” 10% of Intel shares for example it has no control over Intel’s decisions. Those shares only provide dividends.
Question was the history of the USSR what you envisioned as communism because that’s what we’re comparing this to? You understand no one’s thinking about your belief in what communism is right? We are using the term communist to refer to the USSR related propaganda we enjoyed as children. No one cares what your vision of communism looks like and how it compares to the Trump administration ffs. How many of you are going to embarrass yourself stating this strange sentiment
I guess politics is a touchy topic for some.
I don’t know why you are insinuating I’m:
- Agreeing with the original commenter (OC)
- Communist
I was just attempting to clear up what OC was getting at, no need to get all worked up over it.
To answer your questions.
- The USSR never achieved what I understand to be communism
- I understand it’s uncommon to actually comprehend what political terms mean, heck I struggle quite a bit, but that’s why all who read the definitions must, as politely as possible, spread to others what they learnt. In this case what Harris should have said is a dictator period, at most a capitalist one.
Feel free to point out anything I might have gotten wrong, cheers
No that’s totally fair, especially the part about being hard to define. Even Marx struggled with at. USA clearly defined it by its propaganda. Kamala is calling upon that definition. Apologies if I misread your post or your intent
THIS ISNT REAL COMMUNISMM REEEEEEEE
-no shit Sherlock we know it’s not an imaginary classless utopia because I’m still poor
I’m happy you do, others might not be so wise
Wow and Harris just airballs it. Jesus.
In point of fact, capitalism is demonstrably quite enamored with authoritarianism in more places than just the US.
He’s a fascist dictator, not a communist one. And when the ‘titans of industry’ care more about their bottom line than democratic principles, that’s a sign to rally against them, not frame one’s argument with an echo of McCarthyism.
Harris continues to demonstrate that she is not only was too incompetent for the job, but also 1/3 of the reason we have a fascist administration. The other 2/3 belong to Biden and the DNC for the curious. I don’t think she’s too uneducated to know the difference between communism and fascism, i belive she’s intentionally conflating the two because at the end of the day, she’s still a right wing pig.
So you don’t blame the actual fascists in your mathematics?
Do you blame water for being wet, or a dog for licking its balls? Fasc gonna fasc, I’ll reserve my criticism for the folks I expected to actively work against it.
I dont think we’re trying to constructively critisize or reform the nazi party currently
why not both?
spoken like a true tankie
Not everyone who points out the Democrats lost the last election are tankies…
They annoy me to, but also shut the fuck up if this is your only thought. Even if they were a tankie, which I don’t think they are because the criticized them for reasonable things we all saw, you should actually point out their errors so reasonable people see your comment and don’t trust them instead.
Bro, the first election I voted in was 2016. I only knew that I should vote for Hillary Clinton because she was the Democratic nominee. I wasn’t even aware that Bernie was done dirty by the DNC.
There’s levels of corruption to politics in America, and part of that corruption is keeping people dumb. If they weren’t so dumb, they might develop class consciousness and vote for things that actually improve their material conditions!
You don’t have to be a tankie to refute Democrats, and even moreso Republicans. Some people might call that being an Independent.
Thanks for making that word more useless though.
Some would say he’s a commie fascist tankie dictator.
Yeah, uneducated people might say something like that.
Education is the opiate of the masses.
If only education was actually that addictive. Maybe we wouldn’t have so many dumb fucks voting for these dipshits.
It’s smart messaging
Trump is Statist, which is something loathed by both conservatives and libertarians
Conservatives don’t care about small government. They just uaw “small government” as a dog whistle to attack racial minorities. New Deal-era and post-WW2 GI Bill policies were quite popular in the South, as they were written to exclude black people from their benefits. It was only with the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society movements, when black people started qualifying for poverty assistance just like white people, that conservatives suddenly started caring about small government.
Except calling him a statest is misleading. He will gladly undermine the state until it is subservient to the party. That’s the purges.
He has taken some very communist steps. The government has taken stake in Nvidia and Intel, as well as received voting shares in Nippon Steel. His government has literally started seizing the means of production…
Those aren’t even under the illusion of the workers owning the means of production, though.
It’s fascism, utilizing the pre-existing Christian fundamentalism of American conservatism. The fact it includes kleptocratic state capitalism doesn’t change the fascism, or its means of attaining power.
Yeah it’s similar to Putin’s Russia or the Uns’ North Korea, both of which are fascist regimes dressed up as other types of government.
Complete misunderstanding of what the term even means. Like I said in another comment, it’s incorrect, antiquated boomer speak.
Jeepers, did you ever consider the fact that the Nazis have a better understanding of communication than you do? Do you understand about messaging and target audience? Do you think you’re the target audience for this statement? Do you think Kamal Harris is speaking to your personal understanding of what communism is? Or do you think she is speaking to 50 years of US propaganda? And the description that would be readily recognized by most republican voters? Do you think everything is about you?
So she’s still out there pandering to right wing voters? No wonder she lost.
She has to start losing 2028 at some point
/s
I mean how’s your voting block doing? The country is what it is, convincing people on the wrong side, to do the right thing, is politics at its core???
So good communication is lying to people instead of trying to achieve higher understanding? Just keep dumbing down discourse so long as it gets you some short-term gain?
Wow, with thought like that it’s no wonder Americans voted in fascism. You’re supposed to be on the “good” side? I see why Democrats are more than happy to smash leftists teeth in alongside their fascist counterparts. 'm sure you’ll get there when chips are down.
I mean she’s doing more than you are doing to oppose your enemies currently. Seriously have any of you armchair communist done anything? Are you guys still in fighting over labels? Like the fastest have pretty much taken full control and you are picking apart Kamala Harris‘s press briefing. And you’re saying, I am a fucking sympathizer.
Let me critique this critique because the critique is not hard enough, and it also hurts my feelings more than the fascist stealing my government.
I mean so close, I do understand what she’s trying to get across with things like Intel, yet absolutely dumb messaging.
Even when attacking Trump, Democrats can’t resist taking swipes at leftists…
It’s too easy lmao look at these comments. I’m so disappointed in all of you commies I thought you had more fight in ya! Poor you! Utopia delayed!
As much as I dislike it, this is the right messaging.
Anyone with half a brain will say “… This isn’t communism” but only the tankies who vote for Putin will really care.
But all the children of immigrants who fled horrifically evil “communist” regimes? The people who side eye the college kids wearing dictators on their chests? THIS speaks to them.
And… things are looking a lot like a 20th century “communist” dictatorship. So…
Why would this speak to them? They didn’t grow up under communism. All they know is that their parents say it’s bad, but they don’t actually know why it’s bad. Chances are they don’t really care that Trump is likened to a communist because they don’t understand the implied meaning behind the word. It’s the same with calling Trump a fascist. The average American doesn’t care because they don’t know anything about fascism beyond “it’s a bad thing”. It’s just a bad word which makes it the equivalent of calling Trump an asshole.
Speaks to me: commies hated free speech, they hated free markets, they had ample corruption, cronyism, and were full of contradictions and human rights violations. The USA government spent 50 years and billions of dollars on propaganda that disparaged everything trumps America is doing. Time to call upon it before the boomers die
commies hated free speech, they hated free markets, they had ample corruption, cronyism, and were full of contradictions and human rights violations.
That sounds like America these past few years.
Yes that’s the point in Kamala calling trump a commie: and yes our decaying empire went through the same stages the USSR did 30 years later with help from Putin: and YES. None of this is actually communism or capitalism it’s just stealing from people.
She still doesn’t get it. Capitalism inevitably leads to fascism. It’s a core feature.
She was never a good pick for the role. She should have faded into obscurity after losing the primary in 2020.
Capitalism leads to corporate monopolies leads to fascism.
Yes. I really don’t get it. Everybody has played monopoly but it seems like nobody has learned the lessons of the game.
No one ever finished playing monopoly. Everyone always quit in boredom and frustration before the end.
Because calling your enemies commie leftists is definitely not something fascists do.
How the hell is Trump a communist? What is she smoking damn.
The support for capitalism over all else is expected, neoliberals do little else, but this level of delusion? Worrying.
A fascist dictator, not a communist dictator.
She can’t say fascist because fascism is the merger of corporate and state power which is what the US has been building since forever.
Fucking hell did she really need to throw in the red scare bullshit?
So the headline is misleading at best but i still feel like the ambiguity raised by inserting a term like that was just piss poor form and just about par for the course on both journalism and the messaging clarity of the DNC.
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She’s comparing the current big baddy with the old big baddy not calling a fascist a communist. It’s the same message from her just IMO your understanding of it shows how the ambiguity plays out. It creates a narrative that undermines her point because people aren’t gonna get it.
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See fellows, if you still think Harris was a good candidate. This pretty much along with her support of Israel seals the deal.
Yeah we definitely did a lot better by splitting on her so Trump could get in office a second time, possibly as the last President of the US. Israel’s policy matters much more than what happens here at home, to me for sure.
Yup, You couldn’t pressure democrats or anything riiiiiiiiight. Trump is simply forcing Americans to feel a modicrum of the torture USA inflicts upon the world.
So the DNC should not change at all and did nothing wrong, you’re saying?
Imperialism called, it wants its boomerang back.
These people don’t even know what a communist is. They just have “red bad” drilled so far into their heads that it’s right next to “woke” as a catch-all term for bad things.
“Trump bad, just as bad as communism, did I already say communism bad? Votes please”
Well. That tells me all I need to hear. The DNC had decided to lose. Again.
Good luck. You’re gonna need it.
hilarious to hear Americans use terms like Socialist, Communist, Fascist even at the levels of supposedly highly educated and clearly they have no idea what they are talking about.
