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•• 🎀 𝐹𝒜𝒮𝒞𝐼𝒮𝑀 🎀 ••¯°•Funny how when you let conservatives have power your rights start being infringed upon.
Anyway, I wonder how Palestine is doing.
Honestly dude, I cannot fucking believe people thought Trump would be better for Palestine than Kamala… I just don’t fucking understand how so many people can come to that conclusion, unless I really think about it, and then the reasons are all so sad and stupid. I swear to god the main reason, above racism, above hate, above the propaganda of the election cycle, the main reason he won over Hillary and then Kamala is that he had a TV show for many years. A lot of people over look the simple fact that in the American psyche, being on TV is validating, or at least it was when Trump was elected, before everything went upside down. People will stay in the same shitty town and keep the same toxic relatives in their lives for their wholes lives vs finding people that they actually harmonize with because they’re familiar. People who grew up in shitty households find partners like their shitty parents because the shitty behavior is familiar. “Familiar” feels like family. Trump was a household name, and some people didn’t even know Kamala had been swapped in half way through the election season. So they trusted Trump when he’d lie because he’s familiar, but they distrusted her when she seemed to avoid a subject because she’s unfamiliar and so inherently suspicious. They should have both been suspicious af, but he had a TV show and was president once before so they trusted him more… which is very fucking stupid.
Nobody actually thought Trump would be better for Palestine. The ones that said they did were bots.
Are you saying bots are pointless? They may have introduced the idea to the discourse, and they certainly amplified the signal, and I believe they succeeded at incepting the idea to many people.
They didn’t say bots are pointless, they said bots aren’t people.
I cannot fucking believe people thought Trump would be better for Palestine than Kamala…
Few did. Those of us who knew that people would stay home because of it tried to warn everyone that if Harris didn’t change course, she would lose. Centrists didn’t want to hear any of it. They either didn’t believe us or didn’t care because they wanted genocide so badly that they were willing to accept trump.
And I fully expect someone to reply to this by trying to convince me to vote for her even though I did and the election is over.
It’s called propaganda, and it sure worked. Divide and conquer.
Yeah, I think you’re hitting on something important. This is probably also why people living under dictatorships sometimes approve of their dictator. The devil you know.
Trump had a tv show ?? new shit has come to light
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His image as a “good businessman” is unshakable because of The Apprentice, where he played a good businessman on TV.
Oof. Cringey mod censorship.
What is this, Reddit?
Honestly, the “Be excellent to each other” rule is just asking to be abused by selective enforcement.
Just like on reddit, where “be civil” means “don’t sass the nazis.”
To be fair, most didn’t vote for Trump, but they didn’t vote or voted for a non-starter 3rd party candidate, which is basically giving their blessing to Trump.
Except Holocaust Harris would’ve lost even if she received literally every single third-party vote, even including Libertarians who usually swing right.
But when have basic facts like elementary-level math ever stopped Blue MAGA?
EDIT: Downvotes also don’t change basic math 🕴🏻
Basic math or not, you failed to respond to the actual claim and thus failed basic logic yourself. It wasn’t just third party votes, the poster also included those that stayed home because of this profoundly bad idea that not voting for Harris would lead to anything good.
Voting for Harris also would not have lead to anything good
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didnt read that
Why would you, you’re not here for a discussion. You replied in a chain with similarly long comments, did you even read those?
Nope. Don’t need to have a greater context to state basic math.
You couldn’t because of mod censorship.
Looks like Reddit mods also get banned then come here to satiate their superiority complex.
Must have hit a nerve with a 3rd party spite voter. Sorry, not sorry.
la derecha oprime, la izquierda libera
Why are you so upset over people who have no representation in government? Those with no voice. Your gleeful celebration of the disenfranchisement of others is your blue MAGA showing.
Are you a bot?
No, just stupid.
But, in a way, you’re right… This wanker was programmed by a bot.
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The Department of Homeland Security should abide by the constitution.
That’s my random criticism of The Department of Homeland Security.
you’re on the list now, not the pedo list, that’s exclusive for billionaires
DHS can eat a US defense budget sized bag of dicks
The folks up at Whipple here in Minneapolis have been chucking dildoes at ICE and local law enforcement. Helps that one of the major spots for local resistance is a sex toy store, and they’ve got a lot of “expired” dildoes around.
(If you see reports of “objects” thrown at fascists, it’s not chunks of ice anymore, lol.)
What the hell is an “expired” dildo?
Something like this, I imagine
Golly, this thing looks like it has… seen… a lot of action. Is anyone still using that tool? That looks highly unhealthy.
Yertle the Turtle in his dotage.
Be careful with glass ones, though.
Why should you? The shrapnel won’t hit your allies
- It might, 2) they might think they are being attacked seriously and use live rounds, 3) they might identify you later and put you into jail.
They criminally charged a man and he lost his job for throwing a club sandwich at ICE. They think they are being attacked seriously by anything. Your solution to obey and cower in fear and let fascists take over helps them out.
That guy’s (a lawyer) case was rejected by three Grand Juries, until they recharged him under statute that didn’t require a Grand Jury.
When they got to court, the ICE Ape “victim” testified that when the sandwich hit him, it burst open, and mustard and onions covered his body armor, and the smell gave him PTSD, which now uncontrollably triggers whenever he smells onions or mustard. His life was totally ruined by that sandwich throwing meanie.
During cross-examination, the defense really let the guy sell the story of his victimization really hard, then they displayed a photo of the sandwich, taken by investigators AFTER the incident, and it was fully, tightly wrapped by a Subway Sandwich Artist, who really knew how to wrap a sandwich. Give that person the Employee of the Month Award.
The ICE Ape’s testimony was proven to be an obvious total lie, and the dependent was quickly found not guilty. The ICE Ape was NOT charged with perjury, which is the real crime in this story.
And the defendant was a lawyer, who won his case, so if he was fired, I’m sure he’s been hired, by now. If not, he should do a GoFundMe, and he’ll be a millionaire in a few days.
They never charge police and their witnesses with perjury unless they cross the police. Perjury is a lot more serious than people think. An ex cop near me got charged with like a 30 year perjury charge in state court for instance. Sick fuck was covering for his 20 some year old kid in the big city, he lured someone to his house, and murdered and cut them into pieces, but then never got around to disposing of it and it stunk until someone called the cops and he got found out.
But the ex cop dad lied and covered for his kid. He got charged. I had no idea it was such a big charge, or can be. But the police habitually lie and and never charged. Prosecutors too, and they have total immunity from lying, it doesn’t matter if they knowingly lie to send and innocent person to prison or not. Prosecutors deserve a lot more scrutiny, and prison time honestly, they are some of the worst pieces of shit in the country that we never think about, and one of the most powerful people in any county. In the 80s they had a sort of power grab from what they were before.
Ah okay. I guess that makes it all better.
Not cower in fear, but throwing a brittle hard item (that is, made of glass) at them may be legally stretched far enough. Perhaps if you are fine with dealing damage, do a proper Molotov cocktail.
I fully expect Google to comply. Thankfully, the only service of theirs that I use is Youtube.
If a civil war happens, I think a side effect is that Google’s domination over video platforms would be over. People would end up flocking towards the ones that aren’t in service to the Regime.
Please don’t use official YouTube clients
Use a YouTube frontend. Don’t give them any ad revenue. Make it cost them money to service you.
But maybe directly support the creators you watch. They shouldn’t also suffer because of Google
Nah.
So sick of “creators” and “content”.
People used to make videos for fun. Choosing to be on YouTube for money is so stupid. They have no contract.
The only way to get them to move on is not supporting them, on YouTube.
I say this as a Nebula subscriber and direct payment to a few entertainers I like. But they are not on youtube.
Choosing to be on YouTube for money is so stupid. They have no contract.
Most people are not choosing to be on youtube for money. They are on youtube to make videos, because they enjoy making videos. However, they need money to survive. If I like their content, and want them to make more content, then they need money. Otherwise they have to spend less time making videos and more time making money by some other contractual means.
The only way to get them to move on is not supporting them, on YouTube.
You believe people making videos on youtube should move on and do, idk, real work or something? However, if that person has an audience that enjoys watching their videos, they very clearly want them to keep making videos. Them “moving on” would be the exact opposite of what they want.
If you’re under the impression that they could move to a non Google owned video streaming platform, there is no real option. People could make their own websites for their own videos, but viewers are not going to go to a hundred different websites. Not everyone’s content fits Nebula’s platform. There is no platform that can host videos in the same way YouTube can. Maybe one day peer tube will be good enough that we can realistically use that to spread the load of video hosting, but we are not there yet.
To suggest that YouTubers need to move on is truly wild. Especially given Nebula is made up of YouTubers.
Otherwise they have to spend less time making videos and more time making money by some other contractual means.
You saying youtube is the only way to make money? Even competition on youtube means its unlikely you will make money, I get its tough out there.
Look, if you are watching youtube, you are supporting youtube first. That is a fact, it is inescapable.
but we are not there yet.
There are not alternatives, because people are still supporting youtube. There are options. People aren’t going to go to websites anymore? Ok, oh well, its dead. Sorry.
The worst part and you glossed over this: they have no contract. Unless you are very top of your game (like the top 5%), even if they have a semblance of one, it favors youtube. Their livelihood could be gone in a day if youtube decides to drop them, or reduce their pay, or even promote someone else. It is a bad business plan. Youtube even retains the rights to continue to make money from you, even after you are kicked out. They even can backcharge you, its in the terms.
Especially given Nebula is made up of YouTubers.
I am aware, I am putting money to support a place for them to go. To also quit playing the ad game. The two I watch on Nebula are Nebula only, but the growth of the patform won’t happen without support so here we are.
At the end of the day: Why the hell do we care so much about passive activities like watching people? I got rid of my TV back in the day for years, and frankly I think I might just get rid of all video consumption in the near future. I would rather be doing to watching.
You saying youtube is the only way to make money?
Literally in my comment that you quoted, I said there are other ways to make money. I said “making money by some other contractual means.” meaning non-youtube related methods for making money.
Look, if you are watching youtube, you are supporting youtube first. That is a fact, it is inescapable.
This whole reply chain is about using non-youtube clients. Literally not supporting youtube, or the creator as a consequence. If you use a non-youtube client and pay the creator director, you bypass supporting youtube in a monetary fashion at all.
There are not alternatives, because people are still supporting youtube. There are options. People aren’t going to go to websites anymore? Ok, oh well, its dead. Sorry.
This is just a lack of understanding on the scope of the requirements for video hosting on the scale of YouTube. To let anyone upload as much as they want whenever they want entirely for free? There are soooo many reasons why there are no other real options. It is cost. Virtually no other company has the capability to do what YouTube is doing. With how successful YouTube is, if it were even remotely possible, plenty of people would be doing it. The only other company that might have the ability to compete would be Amazon, but it literally would not be profitable for a long time, and that doesn’t solve anything for this conversation since Amazon is no different from Google.
The closest we get is platforms like Nebula, but that is very different. That is for established creators to be able to post either more in depth content, or exclusive content for a more reliable revenue source. Without YouTube (or a YouTube alternative), how would one become established enough to be able to join Nebula in the first place?
The worst part and you glossed over this: they have no contract. Their livelihood could be gone in a day if youtube decides to drop them, or reduce their pay, or even promote someone else. It is a bad business plan.
I didn’t directly mention it, but I did say they could make money in some other contractual means. That still applies if they lose their job overnight with youtube. But also, Nebula could stop get enough subscribers to be able to afford their creators and go under, virtually losing that revenue source overnight.
What gets me is you act like other jobs are way better, when there are literally massive layoffs happening in the US right now.
“Their livelihood could be gone in a day if Amazon decides to lay them off, or reduce their pay, or even hire someone else.” is also just as true.
At the end of the day: Why the hell do we care so much about passive activities like watching people?
Ignoring the conversation on the value of entertainment, Youtube is more than just entertainment. It is an incredibly large source of knowledge. Watching people is how so many things are learned. I am talking in person teaching, mentorship, training, lectures, conferences, presentations, and even videos. If you want to do something you’ve never done before, it would be done best by watching someone else do it first, and then attempting it yourself. When you attempted it, you may have missed some things, so you can rewatch to reinforce what you missed. This applies to videos and non-videos. It would be far less efficient to skip the watching/learning, and go straight into the doing. It would take longer to figure out and achieve a comprehensive understanding. Could it be done? Sure, eventually. But there is literally a famous quote for that:
“Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.” ― Otto von Bismarck
Watching is the slowest way of learning though, particularly on youtube because they are trying to stretch eveything out.
Sorry I edited after you were beginning a response, but the contractual part is really a huge sticking point: the youtuber can be booted at any time, including forcing them to give back money AND youtube can keep showing their videos for revenue. It is predatory.
Using a third party client is still supporting youtube, because it keeps the belief they must be on youtube going. Also, if you are using a third part client, you are pretty much negating the notion that you are supporting the video maker (I hate the terms content and creator, yuck.)
What gets me is you act like other jobs are way better
At least you have an agreement, some basic work protections and can set your terms. But that is a completely different discussion. If anything youtube helps enable this problem, it simply transfers money up and pushes propaganda to keep doing it.
This is just a lack of understanding on the scope of the requirements for video hosting on the scale of YouTube.
No I understand it completely. I say take ownership and do it yourself. I can share videos from my web site (that I made) to thousands without any extra cost to me. You will say but they wont find you on a website. Ok well then we are screwed, because the idea that I am going to use my work to support youtube is not an option, they are not getting my work.
That’s fair. I’ve been meaning to set up patreon donations to the handful of creators I still watch. Thanks for reminding me.
YouTube lose would be a blow. All the knowledge there that would be lost is massive. And nobody is going to replace it.
What fools we’ve been, thinking we could televise the revolution on a corporate monopolist video platform, where ultimately they have absolute control over. Even bigger fools we’ve been, pinning our emancipatory power hopes to our labour?
It doesn’t seem to be as well known, but YouTube is one of the biggest distributors of blatant disinformation, and they have done fuck all about it. There are so many individual right wing disinformation channels that wield so much more power than they should. It’s so fuckin insidious. Seriously, go find one of the alt-right YouTube accounts, and just look at the comments. Not a single one will be negative. They literally police their comments, and the only thing left is sycophantic bullshit like “thank you for exposing the truth!” It’s actually disgusting. Every YouTuber can essentially build their very own echo chamber, and they do.
I know YouTube comments should generally be ignored, but when you see something that is intentionally, blatantly misleading, a single sentence comment could be all that is required to pierce the veil. It’s axiomatic at this point that their bullshit doesn’t stand up against even surface level scrutiny.
Google could combat this with little to no effort. Put a flag next the username. Display the number of manually deleted comments. Done. But they won’t. Fuck youtube. Fuck Google. They are perfectly happy to lead the charge into fascism.
It’s not just political disinformation. Watch a few how to videos on something you know a lot about. You’ll find the same wrong information repeated over and over.
All of these ‘content creators’ are really just ‘regurgitationists’.
If you want to know how to do something wrong, watch a you tube tutorial.
They are very similar in that, even if there comments point out the obvious flaws in the information, they will never correct the record. Because they never gave a shit in the first place.
You’re not wrong, but I haven’t seen these channels actively policing their comments. They’re just pushing garbage and playing the algorithm.
These political hacks are actively malicious because logic and reasoning goes against their brand.
Plus they all stroke each other off, like praise each other really obviously to the point they should be embarrassed. They have no respect for their audiences. Like joe rogan, his guests and him fall over themselves praising each other transparently.
No knowledge would be lost. Books exist, other video platforms exist too. Fuck YT, fuck Google, hope they die soon.
While I think I agree with your geneal stance, I also believe ‘no knowledge is lost’ is pure hyperbole.
Aside from many different quasi-documentaries, video essayists and slice-of-life bloggers (whose content is surely backed up on other platforms or by data hoarders) the sheer amount of tacit knowledge of small computer/electronics/hardware repairs and similar, especially in smaller channels, is in no way either ‘not knowledge’ or not ‘lost’ should the platform go up in flames tomorrow.
Before YouTube, people used to share knowledge of how to do shit with computers/electronics/everything on forums. I still go and find info on those forums more often than on YouTube. Nothing would be lost is perhaps a slight over exaggeration, but not a hyperbole. I can’t remember the last time I used YouTube for anything else but entertainment.
At this point, the platform has started to morph into a shitty TikTok copy and I hate it so much…ruined a good thing they had.
Save everything you want to keep
Would it be lost? Do people upload but not keep copies? I barely look at YouTube at all anymore. I could do without it.
Also Microsoft, Apple, Meta all for collection complying with the regime. It’ll be funny if it’s what brings MySpace back.
I’m more worried about people email, search, and location history being used against them.
And folks, if you haven’t de-googled yourself by now, well it’s past time.
Waylp that sucks for me. I knew about it and was lazy.
The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago. The second best time is today.
I hear the 3rd best is tomorrow, and that fits with my energy levels
My tomorrow was 2 years ago. I’m realizing the longer I wait the more data they collect. And I’m not getting younger so my energy will go down with time.
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What is the choice. Apple?
GrapheneOS, LineageOS, CalyxOS,…
It’s still Android, but it’s built off the open source base of Android.
Or real non-Android-based mobile Linux?
It’s about time for the year of the Linux phone
How does the security of non-android mobile linux compare to GrapheneOS? Is there anything that gets even remotely close to Graphene in terms of fascist government agencies being unable to access the phone’s contents if it’s shut down or locked properly?
I’m not sure
That’s my next stop probably. Been on degoogled Android for many years and loved it. But vendors have started locking down their bootloaders (fuck you, Samsung!), Google has made moves to make life harder in Android for custom ROM devs and sidesloaders alike, so it’s only a matter of time until they’ll go full Hitler on it. So: Go, penguin, go!
There is no reason to honor these warrantless requests. The Bush Administration sent National Security Letters to them, demanding all this information without a warrant and threatening massive penalties if they told anyone. They had no legal basis to do such a thing, the constitution demands they get a warrant from a judge as laid out in the 4th amendment and calls anything in violation of the constitution to be illegal and unenforceable.
But the rot has been spreading for a half a century, the immune system of the Republic is haywire, we have autoimmune conditions, the immune system attacks healthy parts of the body.
America isn’t a country of laws anymore. The supreme court rubber stamps anything the administration wants to do, and the administration “declines requests from the judiciary”. You’ve got administration officials that don’t know what Habeas Corpus means, suspending Habeas Corpus. You’ve got a military openly/brazenly committing war crimes on the international scene (blowing up unverified “narco boats”/civilians). You’ve got a paramilitary gestapo-like force quite literally shooting citizens in the streets, your own government aiming to terrorize its people – which’s the whole point of the violent Ice operations targeting blue states.
But yeah, sure, Google and the big tech bros who have been supporting Trump’s actions throughout all of this will totally draw the line at disclosing data.
Nah, SCOTUS pushed back on Trump, first time around and this time as well. The administration had a solid run of Supreme Court wins for several months because they only brought cases they thought were slam dunks. Now that we’re getting into meaty subjects like birthright citizenship, the justices look to stand firm. Too little, too late, I know.
I fully expect Google to give in anyway. The rule of law doesn’t count for much anymore.
Oh yeah for sure, they have been for some time well before this administration as I understand it.
Facebook is even worse I believe. They allow the police and agents virtually unlimited reach into our lives without warrants. They don’t even charge the government to comply with their demands. ATT used to charge the government a lot of money for wiretaps and the like, and made them get warrants. Facebook they just have to ask and they bend over backwards for them.
Maybe facebook and google are guilty on other fronts which makes them susceptible to betraying our freedoms here. Which is why you don’t allow such consolidation in the first place but too late now our courts are captured as well as the regulators and they won’t break up the trusts, not without a new muscular populist government on a full fledged campaign.
So glad that I’m not a US citizen.
Don’t worry. They’re already working on exporting fascism.
I can’t wait !
I suppose they’re still working out the details of Fascism as a Service (FaaS), i.e. the monthly subscription fees, tier names (Trump > Mussolini > Franco > Hitler > Thiel), and so on…
They probably need redundant fascists too, in case there’s ever a global outage for FaaS
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Jeffery Epstein had a gmail account. The redacted emails are in his gmail account. Google should be forced to publish everything fucking now!
The creds were published on Reddit, and the feds evidently didn’t bother to activate 2FA
And Google will fold.
Of course. Google suckles the kings teet. They donated to his inauguration fund and the stupid fucking ballroom… they thought he’d never ask for the invasion of our privacy and they can’t wait!
google is also kneedeep in using AI for govt and military purpose, also they are platforming ISRAEL to spread propaganda on purpose.
Of course. Google suckles the kings teet
And it doesn’t matter who the king is; it just happens to be Trump now. They gave up Sensor Vault data to help convict Trump’s January 6 insurrectionists during the previous administration, and they’ll do whatever the next regime wants too.
How is that comparable? One was a crime, the other is an innocent person exercising their constitutional rights.
Agreed, this can be read both ways. It just goes to show that companies don’t give a shit about right or wrong, legal or illegal, and they’ll willingly collaborate with democratic institutions and oppressive regimes alike as long as it suits their bottom line.
Companies have always complied with legal warrants. They can challenge them, but they literally cannot refuse. Thats why companies need to actually collect less data on their customers, or protect it with e2e encryption.
So is Apple as bad? They have done all of that also. But all I hear on their Reddit’s is it had to be done they have a responsibility to shareholders.
Apple generally makes more of a show of opposing the government. They traditionally will file court suits challenging stuff. Not to say they don’t fold, just that they make a show of resisting, as they should it’s dumb of google to fold, and they only are because they don’t have enough competition, and have with other companies captured governments and regulators and courts.
I’m glad I was already well on the pathway to de-googling
The RSHA and NKVD dream. It’s time to dump Gmail.
What a Democratic energy
Degoog’d already. Enjoy my ancient Papa Johns orders from 2019, Feddarinos.
WaPo (gift) article: “Homeland Security is targeting Americans with this secretive legal weapon”
Under Trump, the Department of Homeland Security has weaponized administrative subpoenas to attack free speech, according to privacy and civil rights groups.
apparently subpeona arnt enforcable warrants like an actual court order.
It gives organizations a reason to betray their users/the public and surrender to the administration though.
De-American folks.
After Snowden anyone still trusting their information with American Companies and or across American Servers/lines, well I guess I should find those people and get them to invest in my new company, might as well make some money off of these people everyone else is.
