Where are all those GUNS at America???
In the hands of the fascists, just as they’ve always been.
So where are the bus loads of lawyers? Even with today’s authoritarian reality, that should be an open-shut case. Even if ICE claims they can write their own warrants, there’s no way they’re motivated enough to write one for every unit in a large building. Their laziness trumps their malice
How exactly do ICE punks get their authority?
They’re not cops, so how can they detain people?
mostly from not being shot on sight
From what I’ve read, they’re federal agents and according to US law, local and state police and stuff cannot get in the way of federal or something.
They arent cops but they do derive their authority the same way cops do: the govt imbues them with that authority.
Noemish mischief
ICE agents are unfortunately cops.
- federal cops
Even worse! :D
If someone entered the sanctity of my home without first presenting an Article III warrant, they’d get a bullet in their skull
Ice also has guns and they don’t roll in by themselves. They roll four or more deep most of the time on home raids. Even people with guns don’t want to get shot themselves. The way ICE rolls in without warning, most people aren’t locked and loaded in mass sitting in their homes. I’m sure the people there weren’t expecting that excessive action. Most Americans don’t wanna die in a government fire fight if they can help it. You have to be alive to claim self defense, and our government’s so corrupt it’s not a guarantee you’ll win. As deep as ice rolls into these type of situations, it’s not like they won’t have back up to take you out if you do happen to take a couple of them out. Trump will back ICE if they use any excessive force.
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Anyone. Entering. My. Home. Univited. Without. A. Warrant. Will. Die.
Maybe its ICE. Maybe it’s a criminal. How am I supposed to know?
A lot of people like to puff out their chest and say that. I still haven’t seen something like that happen in the news for all the times ICE has raided people’s homes throughout the country. It could be a matter of time but it’ll be exceedingly rare.
Cops get shot fairly often because of this kind of stuff.
It does happen, although I haven’t heard of it happening recently with ICE per se, but I do recall Breonna Taylor’s boyfriend firing at police for entering the home unannounced and hitting a cop.
It is a situation where after the pin drops, everything explodes. Exceedingly rare will become common, simply because law and norms no longer has enough belief to sustain the status quo.
The America we knew is running on inertia alone. That ride is coming to an end.
when it happens, it’s not making the news…
Or it’ll be portrayed as sanitized as possible under the guise of mental illness
I agree with you, but…while you say that, when there’s 10 brown shirts outside, ready to return fire, I don’t know how practical that ends up being…
It’s more practical with a super safety 😄
It’s not. High rate of fire ≠ combat effectiveness.
Shhhh, don’t ruin their fantasy!
The 2nd Amendment exists for when all the other Amendments fail.
If you don’t respect the 4th Amendment, maybe you’ll respect the 2nd Amendment.
I hate the fact that the international community is just sitting by because it’s an internal affair and only speaking up about trade issues, etc… That’s what gave Nazi Germany carte blanche to do it’s thing leading up to 39.
Every sane country on earth needs to be embargoing the fuck out of the U.S., not just for their own sake, but for the sake of forcing the American political establishment to deal with their own fascist problem or become a paraiah on the world stage.
1800 people have already been “lost track of” (read: murdered until proven otherwise) in the Everglades concentration camp.
That’s because they’re not willing to piss off Trump. He’s unstable, belligerent, and hostile - all while commanding the world’s largest military and that stupid tariff hammer. It’s easier for them to look the other way the same as with the Gaza genocide. They might retroactively call it out when it no longer threatens backlash for them to do it.
Yeah but the problem is he didn’t achieve power by some manipulation of the vote at least not primarily he achieved it by getting a bunch of Americans to vote for him. A bunch of stupid ignorant Americans wearing silly hats voted for him.
Shy of any evidence to say otherwise he is the democratically elected leader of the United States. All the countries can’t be setting the precedent that if they don’t like a particular leader they will assist in their downfall.
Besides if Europe playes it’s cards right it’s about to become the economic superpower of the world. The current economic superpower appears to be continuously blowing their own feet off and giggling.
All the countries can’t be setting the precedent that if they don’t like a particular leader they will assist in their downfall.
Yeah, only we can do that.
Yeah. That’s very true. I hadn’t thought about it that way. Thanks for giving me something to think about.
Hitler was votes in. So was Mussolini. Kind of.
If only the days of invading a fully militarized country were still on the table. You can’t look at this like it’s 1939. With nukes now being a thing no one wants to get involved because it will end in total destruction. America is over, a failed experiment in self governance. In all honesty USA should be broken up into 50 SEPERATE countries. There needs to be a plan in place for this to come to fruition, or its over for you guys. All of you seem to actively hate everyone else in your country.
More like 7-10 countries based on a combination of bioregions, cultural zones, and remaining indigenous communities. Many (most?) US states aren’t developed or densely populated enough to function as independent nations as they currently exist.
I’d start with: Cascadia, California-Nevada, the Southwest (UT/CO/AZ/NM), the Midwest, Texas-Oklahoma, the Confederate States (minus Texas), Yankee (NY, NJ, PA), and New England.
We (New England) will take the damn Yankees, so we’ll have our own southern yokels to look down on. Besides, the only important games in baseball are Red Sox vs Yankees: we’d have the entire major league (that anyone cares about). /s
50 countries is wild lmao
They mounted a tripod gun on the roof of the broadview facility. I challenge anyone to think about “shithole” areas of the world and not envision unmarked paramilitary wearing masks, body armor, and carrying something like an ar15.
Does USA needs a bit of democracy?
Fuck off. We’ve been watching this for months. Do something about it already.
The thing is people don’t like to hear it but history has the answer. The only thing that stopped the Nazis was violence. If Hitler’s assassination attempt in the early 1940s had been successful history would never have even recorded his name.
And violence, starts at home. The international community won’t help and couldn’t help even if they wanted to. That will come in time, but Americans have to take responsibility for starting it.
If you won’t stand up for yourself, how do you expect anyone else to stand up for you. Seems pretty simple.
🔔🔔🔔 We have a winner
I keep seeing this. What is there to do?
Commit suicide by
copcapital defense force? Because that’s basically what “doing something” entails.Any positions that could “do something” are on the Fascist’s side, including the for profit news media. We are just as trapped in this capitalist web of coercion as we were before it went full fascist.
Why do you think filthy socialists and commies like myself were telling anyone who would listen, including getting laughed off of occupy Wall Street by the people we were trying to save, I was there, that the capital markets were our doom and our end? Because they were, and here we are.
I’m just glad their dream of this malice continuing in perpetuity truly is just a malignant dream. Climate change has something for this greedy, sociopathic civilization’s ass, and the fact that we’re turning our habitat against the species effectively permanently can’t be bribed, black bagged, discredited, dissappeared, reframed, or any of the other dirty tricks the capitalist fascists have used to get their way and steamroll the innocent.
drones open up a whole host of opportunity on this front, far as being a power equalizer…just saying
They’ve recently passed rules to make it a lot harder for regular Americans to get drones in the US.
Bring the economy to a halt via general strike and street marches that disrupt traffic. Nothing short of that will get anyone’s attention.
The US, it bears repeating captured by our capital markets, keeps most Americans on a paycheck to paycheck knives edge for that very reason. The ones most inclined to strike are the ones that have the most to lose by striking.
You’re asking tens of millions of people to lose the roof over their heads for a very uncertain outcome.
The sad reality is that the capitalist bastards have their bases covered. Not surprising considering their effectively limiltess capital and the generational grudge the wealth class has over the formation of unions here to begin with.
And you’re asking for death camps and fascism.
I mean, in my perfect world the people would unite and burn the capital markets that have brought us to this place to cinder, and have a people’s tribunal bring justice to the former largest stakeholders.
That could begin to right this ship, and really nothing short of that.
But I know they’d use their media to get us burning down each other’s homes looong before we get to Wall Street, so I know we’re irrevocably cooked. What do you propose that could conceivably circumvent all the soft and hard protections they’ve put in place?
Start our own police force?
I mean, that’s just forming a gang, which I consider American police to simply be the largest and most well resourced of, a state sanctioned gang of gleefully violent thugs, unlike police in the developed world.
Police force, gang, militia…
Yeah inside how angry the people actually dealing with it are, fucking idiot
So angry that they’re willing to sit there and watch television while telling the world they can’t possibly do anything.
They will continue to escalate, also. They need a reason to halt the midterms. If they succeed at raids without opposition they get rid of a lot of people they already don’t like, and if we fight back, tRump enacts
MarshallMartial Law. We were fucked as soon as SCOUTS said presidents were above the law…*Martial
Sorry, it’s important.
I half did it in jest and half because I’m just a lowly registry hive!
Lol got it
So it’s witnessed by dozens and filmed by none?
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they had people on the team specifically to look for and illegally confiscate any cameras they can see.
Maybe, but then why didn’t the interviewed witnesses say anything?
I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just is weird there’s no footage.
I’m thinking ICE was not given all that funding for nothing. They were probably already over-funded even before this year, and now they have multiples of what they had before.
Ghouls like Stephen Miller want to see that money spent on inflicting pain on others…
This is absolutely insane and highly illegal. The government cannot just kick down a whole apartment building full of doors, enter homes, and arrest people at random without a warrant or exigent circumstances. The law is quite settled on this.
“Welcome to City 17”
This is absolutely insane and highly illegal.
Add it to the list.
The “law” is being ignored as it was in pre- Nazi Germany when the brown shirts started arresting and beating and intimidating people. There is no law currently.
The big problem is that there IS law: the kind that favors the government. As of right now, people can’t go out and crush some ICE without the courts and police doing something about it.
Laws for thee, never for me
-The Conservative mantra playing out yet again.
See thats the fun part is ICE generates their own warrants without any attorneys or judges involved.
They are literally Gestapo.
Those do not allow entrance in a home ( but they won’t tell you that )
Apparently nobody told them that, either.
ICE Agent scribbles with crayon on a piece of paper
The ICE Agent proudly exclaims “Look! It’s a warrant!”
And y’all think violence isnt the answer? That is literally all their monkey brains can comprehend
Yeah, funny how after the dust is settled, the winners try to convince the losers that the time for violence has passed.
It’s quite unreal to watch from the outside what’s happening down there. Violence is the only answer.
And what do you expect us to achieve other than getting ourselves killed?
General strike is the only answer.
Then start talking to your neighbours.
“Hey neighbour, it looks like we are in danger, what do you need from me? What are we gonna do when these fucks comes for us, our family and our friends?”
Like stop pretending this can’t happen to anyone at this point. Because it’s not going to get any better anytime soon
Yes, this exactly.
So you know an appropriate answer yet here we are seeing nothing.
You have no idea what I’m doing. Get off your high horse.
If we can take any of them down with us, then it’s still a success.
Casualties are part of war.
If you make martyrs you aren’t advancing the cause.
This would make Trump really happy.
This, and Epstein is why he’s doing this shit: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-approval-rating-hits-record-low-for-second-term-10815700
Yeah? Well I say we make him cream his diaper. It’s way past time to fight fire with fire. Give them what they seem to crave. The current response is not sufficient.
To these cunts a lack of retaliation is seen as assent.
If even a quarter of those doors had someone returning buck shot this would probably be the last ice raid like that.
Maybe. They would likely call in heavier reinforcement if that became common. Solo fighters stand little chance of making a dent in them even when properly trained and armed. Sadly, that is a situation too many face given so many are so vehemently against violence of any kind. Maybe my ideas are colored by the media and there are more willing to go visceral than the media wants us to believe
A single child with a gun held dozens of cops at bay for hours after the “heavier reinforcements” showed up.
These people are cowards and are only acting this way because they know they won’t face any resistance.
These cops are functionallly bullies, it they realized there was real danger it would stop them. They’ve been avoiding anything actually dangerous for a reason. They might be able to call in a swat team for assistance, but it would destroy their ability to do widespread raids if there was legitimate fear for their own safety.
You’re 100% right.
They’re targeting Democratic cities with large numbers of democratic gun owners because they’re hoping for a confrontation.
It might be inevitable, but I guarantee you they will not back down once you give them what they have been trying to incite.
There’s a reason Miller, Hegseth, and Bondi made an appearance, got all those armed people pumped full of adrenaline, and then literally slipped out the back door yesterday before flying far, far away. They don’t plan on being present on the battlefield for the war they’re creating.
They need people to fight and die while they give orders and watch comfortably from afar like it’s some kind of UFC ultimate match.
Bullshit. If they wanted an armed standoff they’d go to places that have high gun ownership and Stand Your Ground laws.
One of the reasons they are busting into Chicago city apartments id precisely because they know they’re least likely to be armed and anyone defending their property doesn’t have the law on their side.
So Americans, you ready to put a stop to this yet?
General strike now. Shut it down. Organize, disrupt, disobey.
A strike doesnt have to mean a work stoppage.
If you’re at a factory–keep making stuff, but be real hard on the machines, and take all the product home with you at end of shift. Maybe sell it on e-bay for union dues or give it out to the community.
If you’re a mechanic; keep fixing cars fir people whose cars you want to work, but dont charge them, or use the best parts while saying you used cheap ones. Do a fun elaborate high efficiency rebuild for the single mom with the disintegrating engine who just came in to get that weird noise looked at. Sabotage the personal car of that cop that came in. Steal stuff. Bill the rich assholes you don’t want to see again for everyone else’s repairs.
If you’re a school teacher–show up and teach real american history. Start off with Iran-contra, cointelpro, whatever you think will light a fire in your students. Communist literature, useful everyday black hat shit, the chemistry of tear gas, evolutionary advantage of homosexuality or why ‘biological sex’ is a goofy idea, authoritarian psychology, whatever’s in your wheelhouse.
If you’re in medicine–keep doing your job, but do it to your and your union’s standards. Give out free drugs at the hospitals expense (maybe keep tracking the addictive stuff) bill everything to a board member fudge patient info so insurance will pay. Or just treat all patients who show up while skipping insurance or billing info that day, and record the efficiency gains.
Generally reclaim or sabotage the means of production in whatever ways you touch, for whatever causes you think are cool.
Sign your general strike card! It only takes 3.5% of the population to bring the economy to its knees.
Unemployed people be like:
Don’t worry, there will surely be people left to speak up for us when they come for us.
Sure, I’ll just go ahead and lose my job now and deprive my family of food and shelter before the Nazis get a chance to do so.
I’m all for calling out Nazi bullshit, but blanket statements like this help absolutely nobody.
You really think business are going to mass fire people if we have a general strike? Do you even know what that is?
Chickenshit response
Yes, I’m totally chickenshit for choosing to keep my family fed and sheltered over a call to revolution made by some pissant on the Internet larping as a leftist guerilla.
It takes a real man to know when to let those more capable lead the revolution.
Nah, bro. Fuck your vanguards. I’m just not interested in ruining my wife’s life because I fell in with some first semester anarchists who think good praxis is scolding working people just trying to survive for not storming a federal building.
Nobody is saying you have to lead anything, just find someone worth following and start following
The vast majority of people involved in the entire history of organized labor had families. You’re not helping the people who depend on you by being a coward.
Cool. Let me know when you find a modern labor movement that isn’t sucking neoliberal cock or still living in 1918.
Excuses
Blow it out your ass, kid. The only thing you’ve ever organized is your striped sock collection.
Chickenshit response
“I don’t have people depending on me” ass response.
The vast majority of people involved in the entire history of organized labor had families. You’re not helping the people who depend on you by being a coward.
The vast majority of people involved in the entire history of organized labor had families. You’re not helping the people who depend on you by being a coward.
I help my wife by paying for her insanely expensive scleral lenses that she needs in order to fucking SEE.
I help my kids by providing a stable grocery budget, reliable transportation to school and back, clothes, and shelter.
I help my nonverbal preschooler by taking him to weekly speech therapy while my wife handles the rest of the family.
You cannot help others when you can’t even help your own family. And calling the people who are literally unable to do anything outside of that, “cowards”, doesn’t help anybody and makes YOU a gigantic piece of shit for refusing to even try putting yourself in someone else’s shoes.
I am doing everything I possibly can in my power, and more, just to keep my family afloat, then you fucking shitheels come in with nobody directly depending on you, point at people like me while puffing your chest out, proclaiming for all to hear: “LOOK, HE IS NOT WILLING TO DO SUCH A SIMPLE TASK, HE IS A COWARD AND A BAD MAN”.
Unempathetic people like you are the entire reason for humanity’s pitfalls.
Do yourself a favor: go fuck a cactus.
That’s a whole lot of words to say “no fuck you I like being a coward and I resent being told to stop or take any responsibility whatsoever for the state of the world my children will inherit”
You don’t have a clue whether I or any of the other people who’ve clearly told you this before have got dependents or not, and you don’t actually care. You’re just looking for any excuse you can find to ignore valid criticism, and in the absence of a coherent argument to support your spinelessness you’re more than happy to make shit up to discredit your critics. Trump would be proud.
I’ve watched documentaries and studied the rise of Hitler and the Nazis, I don’t think Trump will get that powerful. Germany was in bad shape post WW2, and Hitler was quite young, energetic and commanding with a clear vision for his future. Trump is old, tired, and has broken too many promises to his base.
As long as the press mostly stays free, and journalists don’t face punitive measures for their reporting, Trump will come and go.
As long as the press mostly stays free, and journalists don’t face punitive measures for their reporting…
Oof…you guys wanna tell 'em or should I? :(
Trump is just a puppet at this point. If he croaks in office, Vance will take his place. Despite the memes, Vance is incredibly smart and will be much worse, since he doesn’t ramble like Trump does.
The problem is that Trump is speed running the country into shithole status (economically, I know we were already there on the healthcare, housing and wealth inequality fronts).
And the smart assholes with ambition are running the show, Miller, Vance and Johnson.
Speaking of, I am a little familiar with this group https://generalstrikeus.com/
I don’t see it discussed much in fediverse channels, and I don’t really know why. Curious to hear what people think of them. But they’re the only group pushing for a general strike that I can think of off the top of my head.
I don’t like having to share my phone number, which is why I haven’t signed up. Or that every social is the typical - discord, bluesky, youtube, instagram.
I’m all for the idea, but they give me big privacy worries.
Check the site again. They’ve changed in the last few weeks to include an option with more privacy, I think.
So they have! Though you have to scroll down to see it, its not really apparent that other options are there now…
For reference:
Option 2: Mail-In Strike Card You can now submit a Strike Card by mail and get counted without your info being entered into our database. Print out a Mail-In Strike Card here and mail it to: General Strike US (GSUS), PO Box 7, Malden-on-Hudson, NY 12453. An organizer will reach out when it’s time to strike!
I’ve included the link to their (ugh) Google Drive version of the mail-in card. Name or pseudonym and an email are required, phone number is not, so that is a good option.
Option 3: In-Person
You can also sign up below with a local organizer at community events, protests or rallies, by printing the In-Person Strike Card here and emailing your number of sign-ups to info@generalstrikeus.com to get counted towards the goal of 11 million. Learn more here.
Again, I’ve included the link to their google drive version of the in-person sheet.
Option 4: Email Only
Not ready to commit just yet? Sign up with only your email address below to receive updates and stay in the loop.
This is what I just did, I’ll deal with the mailer later on.
Same. I looked at it but as soon as it wanted all that contact info I dipped. I already get “omg! send us money to craft these strongly worded letters in opposition!” texts. I don’t want more of them nor a centralized location someone can use to find those who support the idea of a general strike.
If it happens, people will talk about it and it’ll pick up steam like domino’s falling!
I think its called game theory? Or maybe prisoner dilema. We are afraid that enough of the country is in support of the nazi regime that the strikers will lose their jobs
It’s what everyone is conditioned to think and believe
In reality, if they fight they might lose their jobs …
… if they wait to see what else happens, they’ll probably lose their jobs anyway
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t … if you do nothing, there is more of a chance of losing everything but if you fight back or at least protest peacefully and disrupt and disobey, there is enough of a chance that you and everyone else will have much more to gain.
Happy medium: educate and organize, in preparation for the moment.
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Not gonna happen. Half of the country isn’t aware anything is wrong.
Hell, a good chunk of them are sold on it. Get a perspective outside of a city, or take, I dunno, North Carolina as an example.
The fuck has happened in NC since January? Nothing, and that’s their experience. Same-same, yada-yada. Riot? Why?
There’s a small amount of resistance in rural Tennessee but the general population is hypnotized by fox news.
Um… I work in elder care. If my team strikes 80+ will die.
We’re not talking about you specifically, and it detracts from the message and the seriousness of the situation to use your specific situation as possibly representative of the rest of the country. If all people who can would strike, then we would be in a good place. You’re an essential worker. We’re not trying to kill off our elders.
Then get a better ducking message that speaks to the people your are trying to speak to or this is what you are going to be running into again and again and no one’s is going to actually hear what you are saying.
And yes that means start being specific. No one knows specifically what to do. No one knows who specifically can be of help. No one knows how specifically to contribute. No one knows who specifically can be trusted. No one knows why specifically they are being targeted. No one knows who specifically can be of help to them specifically
Bland broad blind comments will yield you absolutely nothing. Do the work and talk TO the people you are actually talking to.
Then keep on talking. Keep repeating your message again and again until little DO know specifically what they CAN do
“But how do we change things without any risk or sacrifice?”
Fantastic.
If you’re OK with elderly people starving to death and dying from infected wounds to make a point, you can fuck right off.
I remember reading about a japanese bus strike where the bus drivers kept doing their job, but stopped collecting the money.
There are also examples from around the world where healthcare workers go to quite serious lengths to ensure delivery of service is maintained while a nurses/doctora strike is taken.
So a general strike could be an option, but isn’t necessary to send a message. In fact more targetted strikes that leave dialogue and service on the table shows the protestors acting in good faith, potentially opening different avenues to bridge the divide between childish-oligarchic-cunts (management/upper class), and the workers.
All i’m saying is theres more options than blowing up the system, and staged, measured, predictable responses to the others actions can be extrememely effective in showing the often ridiculous demands of the other side’s position.
A general strike does not mean a total strike. It’s enough people at the same time across enough of industries that it can’t easily be negotiated, manipulated, precluded or shut it down.
A general strike is a mass work stoppage in which a substantial proportion of workers across multiple industries collectively cease https://museumofprotest.org/methods/general-strike/
Are we agreed? Fucken great.
I think the general strike is the best bet because they’re looking for a reason or excuse to have the military start massacring civilians. I honestly think a widespread peaceful general strike shutting down the economy until the oligarchs cry mercy is our best hope in this situation
Economic power is the basis of all the megaviolence. General strikes recuperate the true source of the power: worker productivity. Do it now before automation makes it moot.
I think the violence will continue (and probably escalate) until the United States of America are split apart. There cannot be one central federal government. Political power must be shifted to the states. Unfortunately, due to historical reasons, not enough people are understanding this yet, because a federal system has worked so well in the past, that it first needs to be proven by Trump that the potential for abuse at the federal level is huge, and only then will the States get their Rights.
Diasgree. With no federal apparatus to guide the force of all 50 states they are weaker on their lonesome and calling aid from one to another is far more burdensome. Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them. Red states are major crop producers that the blue states consume. Balance of powers is the best bet. It’s not perfect but it’s far superior to dissolving the federal government which would undoubtadly start inter-state and civil wars. Unfortunately, the human propensity for conflict is best utilized in keeping each other in check and is best coupled with rewarding those who suppress suppression and are prepared to employ violence against the violent.
Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them.
I’d say that’s a reason to split apart. (slight /s)
They never said 50 states. Plenty are too small to handle themselves. Most of the southeast could all be one state as well just based on culture.
Or, you know, kick the bastards out, and close all the authoritarian loopholes. More democracy, stop subsidizing the fuck out of the rich, move that to education and research. Mandate empiricism in governance.
End US imperialism in favour of multilateral partnerships, especially around the 800 or so military bases in other countries, or else that shit returns home and gets used on Americans. The ship has sailed on being the one superpower. Adapt and evolve.
Myself, I favour smaller polities wherever possible, but given the current lack of an egalitarian basis to start from, breaking the states into countries will be a feast for the oligarchs.
The only way some sort of plan like that works is if we dont change leaders every 4 years. Its going to flip flop back and forth over and over. Unfortunately its far easier and quicker to tear things down than to build them, and so we slide farther down.
There needs to be rules and standards for politicians to be able to participate in politics.
We have no way of carrying out a general strike right now. GSUSA is a pretty good group trying to build capacity, and UAW President Shawn Fain is pushing for unions to renegotiate their contracts so that they all end on May 1st 2028, obvs including UAW.
General Strikes are illegal in the USA, a union can’t call a legal solidarity strike, thanks to Taft-Hartley. I’m not a legalism guy, I think legalism is an illusion the workers need to overcome. But the fact is, we haven’t overcome it. Even a lot of pretty militant leftist groups in the US have a “new constitutional convention” fetish, it’s even in the old DSA program.
There is no infrastructure for it. A few dozen Americans on Lemmy not showing up for work isn’t gonna do shit. The best chance we got is 2028, which will be badass if Trump is still in office.
There is so much work to do and frankly its frustrating when people are like “just do impossible thing”. Stand up and help us we need help so badly. I think a lot of people in USamerica who say this kind of shit have absolutely no fucking clue what they’re talking about. No one wants to give up a fraction of their quality of life to have a political discussion about real shit. People just want someone else to come along and save them, and then even if someone does come along, complain if we don’t have our butt kissed just the way we like it. The only thing we know how to do is speak to a manager. We are a nation of Karens. We are not ready.
The best chance we got is 2028, which will be badass if Trump is still in office.
He will never leave office willingly. He tried to overthrow the government last time he lost and this time he’s a LOT better entrenched. You can’t vote out a dictator. If you don’t act and put your hopes in an election that won’t help you, you’ve already lost your democracy. And honestly, you’ll deserve it.
Hes going to die by then, hes not doing well.
I’m right there with you. Even if it is lost for a little while, these things have a way of coming back around stronger than before.
But I agree 1000%, we need decisive collective action to meet this moment.
Dude I’m right there with you in thinking that we’re just not capable of a general strike. We don’t know our neighbors, don’t hang out with strangers, and really have no community outside intimate relations. Shit seems like tons of people can’t stand their friends and family either!
It’s def the building infrastructure kind of advice and shit I wish people were doing and taking about more. How to we build that infrastructure and how do we connect with the people that are trying to build communities
I want to help correct what’s happened here but I also don’t want to fucking die or starve or become unhoused
For a lot of people, staying alive, keeping hope, is what you are doing. Just educating ourselves in a way that helps us see the world and the people in it more clearly, to recognize the connections between us and society, is itself a revolutionary act.
I had the privilege of being elected by my city’s DSA chapter to attend the national convention this year. And believe me, we are building that infrastructure. The sense of connectedness and shared mission along with about 1200 socialist organizers, not just online weirdos but actual wonderful, committed, very busy and diverse people, it has been an incredible feeling each time I was sent.
But there is a cost. I’ve been doxxed, I have my own KeyWiki page. I’m in several databases, I’ve written articles in my own name. But at a certain point I just started to see people as having a target on their back because of nothing they did, it came down to the color of their skin, their gender, who they love, what they believe or where they came from. As an middle age dude I just figured if they have a target on their back then I should do something to put one on mine too.
I’m not a fraction of the man’s measure, but Eugene Debbs, who got a million votes for president from prison in 1920, said at his trial for sedition in 1918, “As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free.”
When you’re ready and able to join the movement, I’ll have saved a place for you in it.
Who’s fucking idea was it to wait until the 18the of October to do No Kings 2?
I’ve been to several of the protests organized by those groups and I don’t think they are controller opposition but they seem to operate like psychological pressure release valves. We all feel like we’re doing something that will change things but until that mass of people shows up and then refuses to leave rather than dispersing after it actually won’t make a difference
Yes, who’s organizing it and when?
This has been there for more than six months. They aren’t going to do anything but wave more signs in a couple of weeks. Should work this time.
I guess this is why the orange turd said this would be a pre-crime… Whatever the fuck that means
They wont. Most are still cheering this on.
too busy reporting on it and saying we need to do something
