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Murka don’t needem none of that Woke Communist Fake News Christianity. Jesus was a ripped alpha male who beat up on weaklings for fun, and told the poors to get a job!
If you need pyrotechnics to sell compassion, maybe the priorities are backwards.
They turned the church into a circus.
Do they still give out bread tho?
That’s communism. Supply side Jesus says no.
Very fun read, thanks!
Indeed! Supply Side Jesus is one of my favorite webcomics.
Ok I thought they were hanging Ronald McDonald in effigy
ronald is finally ascending to heaven. looks more like marcel marceau the mime, a temu version.
And somehow Palpatine returned.
It not like this fly over system costs very much. Compared to the huge building and technology they install. I am fully against Church and religion in general, but flying Santa isn’t too spectacular. The private jets, buildings the size of Amazon warehouses that actually cost…
Maybe, but the small things do add up. Insurance rate increases due to high risk aerial performances, coordinator/safety team, etc.
You’re funny thinking they pay for any of that.
Why pay for insurance, if you can pray for protection, right?
What in the ragety-anne-fuck is going on there?
I don’t know and I don’t give a french fried titty fuck
That’s ridiculous, even Jesus thought so.
And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you make it a den of robbers.”
Matthew 21:12-13 (Source)
“Scuse me sir, have you read the Bible”?
“Have you?”
What a golden calf.
When American Christians get to the afterlife and meet god …
They wouldn’t get to meet God. They’d go straight to hell.
I think God would want to meet them just to see the look on their face when he told them they were going to hell.
Fitting since he belongs there himself
Not a fan of the trope of having to wait to see saint Peter before getting thrown into the pits?
These people are all damned to Hell.
They are creating it on Earth.
What if they were already sent to help for their sins, and this is it, but they don’t realise it?
So make sure when you say you’re in it but not of it
You’re not helping to make this earth a place sometimes called Hell
Change your words into truths and then change that truth into love
And maybe our children’s grandchildren And their great-great grandchildren will tell
“Christians”: Put Christ back in Christmas!!!
Also “Christians”: More flying elves, and the magical reindeer’s nose needs to shine brighter!
Is this an actual service or just an event provided by the church? Staging plays is a social task that can be serviced by a church.
Very American and over the top, still.
A google image search could have answered your question of doubt.
The visual is from the annual “Gift of Christmas” production at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Texas. It IS a church production.
Despite being a 40-year tradition at the church, the $1 million Broadway-style production has faced backlash for its extravagance in recent years. In the past, church leaders have justified the performance by explaining the miracle of Jesus’ birth warrants an over-the-top celebration. They told the Dallas Morning News last year, “Jesus deserves our absolute best. … It’s unfortunate that the perennial American tradition of the church Christmas program now draws criticism.”
Yeah renting out megachurches for other parties to do events in isn’t really any better
It’s an event space? That’s perfectly normal. E.g. small musical performance are held in old European churches. Such as some choir music(non religious)
These are the kind of churches where private jets are owned. It’s more of a venue issue than what they are doing with the venue. These are businesses in disguise as churches.
Ok. But then the issue is the rent they charge. They should rent it out at cost or below.
Example: Gebührenordnung Raummiete - Evangelisch-Lutherische Kirchgemeinde Meiningen https://share.google/hOTib1IFAd0ADiM7y
Just don’t support them at all. Haggling over price is not sending a message.
How does that support them? 50 bucks for renting a church surely is cheaper than most if not all spaces and ought to not cover personel costs incurred.
How is a church an event space? It should be a holy site.
small musical performance are held in old European churches
Only in deconsecrated ones, i.e. church buildings that are not used as churches anymore. They do allow non-religious music at funerals (sometimes) but that’s about it
I worked for a school district that contracted with a church as a space for professional development. It’s not uncommon.
In the US? I’m not contesting that it’s uncommon there, just saying that it doesn’t seem very Christian. I’m not religious and I don’t care, if not for the hypocrisy.
Yes - US. I was honestly uncomfortable and thought it seemed dicey to force teachers to be around all of the propaganda, but using public funds to push religion is the least unethical thing Epic Charter Schools does lol.
If ancient stained glass art is propaganda everything is. Even lack there of has meaning. It’s just a big old building with gold accustics you people. Don’t go to a Catholic one, I guess.
It is very Christian. Serving the community is a core tenet. Churches ain’t just for praying. They are intended to be a place for community. That’s for Europe, anyway.
That’s wrong. At least in Germany.
very evangelical, its either this or some kind of wierd play, or concert they are doing.
Elaborate, borderline heretical passion plays are very much a thing. (Ever wanted to see Iron Man crucified?) Churches definitely do rent out their spaces, but this kind of thing is usually put on by the church.
It’s an abundance that kinda goes against the word of Jesus? If they’re “combining” that level of stage with a place of worship, I imagine that they should also be holding events at almost the same frequency of an opera house, and at the same level (and for the benefit of society). But in my experience, it’s usually only used for preaching the word of Jesus… of which extravagance isn’t a tenet
But that’s just my 2 cents and despite the particulars of the photo, the point of the meme remains (at least to me). Jesus didn’t preach about the “good of the Great Gatsby”; they just wanted people to love each other and be “good” to one another… not unwittenly flaunt their position of power
Last time I attended a service all I could think was, “How would you explain that you spent $250,000 on the sound system?”
Took my step-son to that same church to witness me voting, trying to set an example. It was like a mini-mall in there.
Sarcastic child: “Dude! Do they have a Starbucks too?!”
Around a decade ago I went to church with my parents. They don’t go to a mega church but it is a large church in a Texas suburb. My mom offered to buy me a cup of coffee. I thought she was making that silly joke about “buying” me a cup because, it’s a church, coffee is free right? No. She actually paid money for coffee at church. And it was a goddamned k-cup.
… I think they usually do have a coffee shop.
i’m a church musician lately and the one i play at puts a pot of regular and a pot of decaf on. what they have isn’t bad for drip coffee, but that’s where they are.
and most of us in the band are of the “coffee? COFFEeE!!” persuasion so they really don’t even need good drip coffee, but eventually we’d start bringing our own grounds and it’d become a thing.
part of me wants to find one with a coffee shop now, but i really dislike those services.
I think this is the first time I’ve encountered a church musician on Lemmy. What instrument(s) do you play?
so currently i’m just a bass specialist in english handbells. i also sing, i am not great at bass guitar and i just got my sax out of the attic a few months ago and am still rusty. way back in my school days i worked my way through the district’s set of instruments and taught myself how to play everything they had except the double reeds. not necessarily well, but enough that if i wanted to get competent it would only take a couple weeks.
If Jesus returned from the dead he would be anti-Christian.
How much further from actual Christian values can modern Christianity get?
Was Jesus ever Cristian?
No, the Christian church was established after his death (assuming he existed). Jesus was Jewish.
If you start a cult, are you not the first member of the cult? Shoko Asahara was still the leader of and member of aum shinrykio
I’m not that knowledgeable about the events. But did he name the cult?
If someone else named the cult, and someone else wrote the Bible. And the book did not exist in his time. Then even if he was a real person that wanted good in the world, he was never a part of the religion/cult that was started in his name, right?
A lot of the bible that gets followed by mega churches follows the doctrine of Paul who never met Jesus and was a power hungry bastard who claimed to have hallucinated Jesus after he got hit on the head with a rock.
The idea of salvation through Jesus being through faith and not actions, throwing money at churches, treating any sex for pleasure as an apex sin comes from him.
Effectively these are not Christians but Paulians.
he would probably smite them.
