Did people before Christianity just evaporate then?
Someone elsewhere said if you need religion to be a good person you’re just a bad person on a leash.
That is Christian doctrine. “The sinful nature of man.” IOW in the evangelical world view, we all need that leash or we’d all be, well, like American evangelicals.
I’d rather them be a bad person on a leash than a bad person off the leash
Sure, but they also are trying to force you on the same leash so… 🤷♂️
On the one hand, I agree. But on the other hand, that leash has led to pretty bad places many times over the centuries. I’ve come to believe that there’s some truth to the “humans are kinda shit” premise of Christianity, just that sometimes it redirects that shittiness and other times it directs it (or individuals do in its name, since Christianity itself isn’t an entity).
I have no idea if humanity would be better off with or without religion. I don’t need it personally but others having it might make everyone’s lives better simply because they don’t think they can get away with some things so don’t try them.
maybe they were “convinced from” a false religion, eh?
Doesn’t matter because that’s the western Orthodox baptist second reformed heaven and you were a heathen western Orthodox baptist first reformed
The medieval-values heaven or the ancient-values heaven?
And are the eye things also there?
MAGA Heaven.
Mar-a-Lago?
The odds of gettin the right religion kif any god exist at all) is so fricking low that i may aswell live how i want instead of following a religion;
Heck, i’d like to be religious but every religion seem to be quite shitty, the only ones who basically convinced me are Wiccas, which i may join in the near future
Pheh, who needs heaven anyway, just install linux onto the afterlife.
Can heaven run doom tho?
It doesn’t run it bare metal, but does offload it to a remote sandbox.
Putting aside the doom recompilation meme, I find this idea conceptually funny.
“God forgives all” I ain’t sweating.
Have you tried blaspheming against the holy spirit, that fake piece of shit?.. Let’s see God forgive that.
Nazis, Israeli abominations, and christian pedophiles go to heaven… why the fuck would I want to go to heaven and be stuck with them for eternity?
Did you personally go to heaven and verify?
Heaven was invented by Rapists, Pedophiles, fascists, and other wicked creeps in order to control the masses.
So fuck off religious pedo supporter.
Fairly sure some people did go to Heaven.
It was nothing but empty, no gods, only suns everywhere.
Disappointing.
Sure
SEE??? PROOF.
CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS
If you’re convinced out of your faith, it means you never had a good reason to believe in the first place.
Faith is by definition unreasonable.
Imagine a club where you can rape and pillage your entire life, ask for forgiveness on your dying breath and you’re in.
repenting involves hating and turning away from your sin
Imagine a club where everyone is okay with that scenario. Imagine these same people think this is normal.
The one-true-and-perfectly-good has tried to genocide all form of life by drawning them under rain (fishes got very affraid)… but so yes, you won’t get in his club without at least trying to be a bit as him…
As long as you don’t intend to ask for forgiveness in the first place
Right. You have to have genuine remorse. Still dumb though.
I dunno, I guess I think punitive justice is an inherently fucked up concept. When I was a kid, adults used to say two wrongs don’t make a right. At first I thought they were full of shit, but as I grew older, I learned how horrible prisons are and how they don’t make people better.
In Christianity, you have to mean it. People can’t turn their beliefs on a dime like that, meaning it takes work. You have to have done the work. Anyone who’s successfully sacrificing Jesus would basically be capable of giving a meaningful apology to the victims and rehabilitating themself.
Still, heaven isn’t for Me. It’s just not My aesthetic. When I die, I’m going to Ninuan.
Sure, they can be forgiven, by God, after they suffered a horrible death themselves.
We don’t even have to execute them, just denny them any services or any companionship from society. Anything not a basic need, and they will wish they died.
just denny them any services
Don’t send them to Denny’s. That’s just cruel.
After all the Deans being posted on Lemmy, I think I want to talk about Community.
After Chang kidnapped the Dean and took over the school and was defeated by the study group, he showed up claiming to have Changnesia. Changnesia is a ridiculous lie and nobody believes it at first, but they decide to give him a chance, because we’ve all done bad things.
Over time we get confirmation that Chang faked his Changnesia, and the characters end up pretty sure of it too. But still, they don’t expose him as a fraud and they don’t send him to prison, where legally, he belongs. Because prison doesn’t solve problems.
Nobody ever trusts Chang again. Everyone knows he can’t be trusted. He can’t be given power. He’s evil. But he also has feelings, and he deserves happiness, as long as his happiness doesn’t involve hurting anyone.
May we all have our own redemption, even if it must come from something as absurd as Changnesia.
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Fuck off. You do not get a pass to call people nazis no matter what your personal circumstances are
Nein, leider nicht.
Are you too disabled to proofread?
Are you perfect? Do you criticize people to feel good? Internet muscles 🙄
well I don’t think that person care about being in or out anyway
Correct because it doesn’t exist.
When your friend convinced you to go to church and get molested and there is no God
Pikachu
when your friend finally convinced you to go outside and you get struck by lightning
Religion makes predators
Can’t do that face if you don’t have a face
Unrelated but please never imply “all {ethnic group} is {conventionally bad thing}”, that’s the weapon of the enemy and we don’t use it.
EDIT: just group, not ethnic
What ethnic group do you think was mentioned…?
The worst was when he said, “All Hispanics are 7:00 AM college courses.” (I actually have no idea)
The monsters i can never stay awake during them. this explains my extended family’s longstanding ethincally and racially based hatred, for which i must give no further explanation
You just stereotypically associated religious people (in general) with “molesting” and door to door conversion.
- that wasn’t me
- that’s not even unfair
- religion is not “an ethnic group”
- whoops
- So? Even if you think that, that doesn’t dismiss that it’s the weapon of the enemy.
- An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of humans who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Attributes that ethnicities believe to share include language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history, or social treatment. - The English Wikipedia, a free encyclopedia at en.wikipedia.org
Is your argument that because that definition includes the word religion then they are the same thing? Religion is rarely ethnicity and even less so in the west
Also in this case you really just equating white people to Christianity? The more I think about this, the weirder and grosser it seems.
You could think of it as a set of multiple groups combined, that’s worse. Also, I never mentioned white people or Christianity, you just pulled these associations out of your ass.
Love how this is getting downvoted. Like there isn’t a rich and storied history of Satanic Panic in the West. Or an active community of Epstein-brained conservatives who are doing blood libel on anyone who fails the Paper Bag Test.
It’s a non sequitur is the problem, and seems to buy into the whole christian prosecution complex that’s a huge problem in the US.
You should see it this way: Look at our world. Look at the bad things. Look at the horrific things. God lets all those things happen AND he wants his dick sucked as if he doing jack shit is a good thing.
Go to hell. Be a rebel. Be proud of it.
The worst people in this world don’t think about these things. They are the ones in “heaven”.
If that’s the company in heaven, it sounds fucking awful.
You don’t understand, all that suffering and all those dead babies are part of His plaaaaaaan. How can you even have morals without believing in god, please excuse the piles of dead babies.
Dead babies?
“God works in mysterious ways.”
“Trust God’s plan.”
“Everything happens for a reason.”
“You have to have faith.”
“We should pray.”
“He is testing our faith, like the book of Job.”
These are the bullshit answers they give us because they don’t really have an answer.
And when something good happens what do they say?
“God is good!”
“Praise the Lord!”
Look, believe in God all you want but when someone pisses on you, don’t call it rain.
Have a meaningful conversation of how an all powerful, good God can allow so much suffering. Either he isn’t good or he isn’t powerful.
There is a third option - he’s tarded.
True and fair.
Have a meaningful conversation of how an all-powerful, good God can allow so much suffering.
Evolution is driven by adversity. Organisms experience stress, seek to relieve themselves of that stress, and improve upon their function iteratively over billions of years.
Pain is a form of information which gives an organism an imperative to change. And with a great number of organisms, you will necessarily have a great deal of suffering. But without that pain, you lose the incentive to change. The end result is stagnation and decay. A lack of pain isn’t joy, it’s numbness. A lack of adversity does not imply triumph but inertia. What you’re asking for isn’t a Utopia, it’s the heat death of the universe.
I get it. Rape, murder, war, horrific disease, and all the other “adversity” the all-knowing cock known as God allows is for our own good. It’s like a man beating his wife so she’ll know better next time. She’ll evolve due to the information provided by his fist.
“What you’re asking for isn’t a Utopia, it’s the heat death of the universe.” I dunno about you but all I’m looking for is a little less genocide, maybe a bit fewer hungry children, maybe some consequences for well-known pedophiles.
I guess if there is no horrific suffering in the world we won’t evolve. I volunteer you for the next horror, you piece of shit.
Rape, murder, war, horrific disease, and all the other “adversity”
I mean, you’re talking about this as though some Divine Agent actively is making one person sexually assault another. Or kill another. Or cough on one another.
If you don’t want to live in a world full of rape, I would suggest you start by not raping anyone. Grabbing someone by the hair, pulling them into the ally, violently forcing yourself on them, and then saying “God made me do it!” is the most cynical shit imaginable.
“What you’re asking for isn’t a Utopia, it’s the heat death of the universe.” I dunno about you but all I’m looking for is a little less genocide, maybe a bit fewer hungry children, maybe some consequences for well-known pedophiles.
I mean, good news? We’ve been emerging from a state of nature for thousands of years and we are absolutely reaching an apex of civilization such that genocide and famine are at an all time low. Meanwhile, pedophilia and rape and murder are increasingly reviled rather than celebrated or tolerated.
But, again, your parents’ generation watched a thirty-year-old Prince of Wales become betrothed to a 16-year-old girl and clapped like seals. God didn’t make the English Monarchy do that.
God didn’t set up Little Saint James and stuff the Lolita Express full of post-Soviet block easily exploitable teenage refugees.
God didn’t initiate the Nakba or perpetuate a running genocide against the Palestinian people for the next 80 years. Neither did he kick off the German Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide. He didn’t spread the Spanish Flu during WW1 or factory farm in such dense conditions that COVID erupted onto the public in 2020.
All this shit is the direct result of human activity. Human ingenuity. Human passions. Human biases. Human politics.
I guess if there is no horrific suffering in the world we won’t evolve.
You can wave your hands and bemoan the existence of heat waves and hurricanes, then blame The Divine for building a universe in which some bad things happen to some living beings some of the time. But then you’re obligated to posit a world without heat waves and without hurricanes. And good fucking luck. That’s one hell of a balancing act.
You can posit a world in which bad things happen but we just don’t notice or care. But where does that end? Is suffering better if we’re blind to it? Not to get too Biblical, but you eat from the Tree of Knowledge and you begin to see the world more clearly. Language, society, historical memory, the capacity for science and engineering - they’re all double-edged swords.
You could be a microbe right now, with absolutely no conceptualization of who you are or why you’re here or what the universe outside a few centimeters looks like. And would that make you happier? Is that your Utopia? A few hours or days of existence mostly eating until you’re fat enough for mitosis. Is that your idea of a good time?
At least then you wouldn’t know enough to blame God for anything, right?
ineffable innit?
God has some of the worst fucking representatives. I don’t want to be in a heaven with those assholes
The real problem is God doesn’t believe in me
I kinda want a t-shirt with that on it. I wonder how many pity speeches it would get for me from Christians…
Yeah, God is kinda an asshole, and if hes not, and hes worried about our opinions of him he really needs to work on his messaging and explaining why stuff has to be so shitty. Being God and all I imagine that isn’t beyond his abilities…
You know, assuming he existed…
Look at our world. Look at the bad things. Look at the horrific things. God lets all those things happen
Literally the Al Pacino line while he’s trying to convince his son to fuck his sister.
Go to hell. Be a rebel. Be proud of it.
I would simply break the Cycle of Samsara and rejoin the Cosmic Singularity by freeing myself from materialistic desire.
Damn I can’t believe the guy you’re responding to us trying to get everyone to fuck their sister. Lol, what?
